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[Sandpit]

if they also balanced according to BV it would make for some interesting matches as well.

[Varent]

Almond Brown, on 19 December 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Question:

What weighs 1/2?
What has 1/3 less Heat?
What shoots 40% farther?

Answer:

Clan Tech (not the actual values but the point stands)

Given what we have now, and the current Meta, how in the hell is one supposed to get close enough, while starting from farther away, to apply sufficient damage to deter an enemy with superior Tech? Even if you have 25% more Mechs.

upvoted. Yet another reason the balancing they are doing is a good thing.

[Joseph Mallan]

Almond Brown, on 19 December 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Question:

What weighs 1/2?
What has 1/3 less Heat?
What shoots 40% farther?

Answer:

Clan Tech (not the actual values but the point stands)

Given what we have now, and the current Meta, how in the hell is one supposed to get close enough, while starting from farther away, to apply sufficient damage to deter an enemy with superior Tech? Even if you have 25% more Mechs.

Cover and concealment?

[Sandpit]

Almond Brown, on 19 December 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Question:

What weighs 1/2?
What has 1/3 less Heat?
What shoots 40% farther?

Answer:

Clan Tech (not the actual values but the point stands)

Given what we have now, and the current Meta, how in the hell is one supposed to get close enough, while starting from farther away, to apply sufficient damage to deter an enemy with superior Tech? Even if you have 25% more Mechs.

we don't know though

[dario03]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Better to have a few dedicated players than slave labor.

Which is why you can't have Clan tech be twice as good with teams half the size and then make ~66% of players be IS. If you make clan tech so much better most people will use that and then the game will mostly be clan vs clan and I'm guessing they aren't going for that. Or they could do mix tech but I'm guessing a lot of the lore minded won't like that either and most would still be picking clan tech.

[Joseph Mallan]

dario03, on 19 December 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

Which is why you can't have Clan tech be twice as good with teams half the size and then make ~66% of players be IS. If you make clan tech so much better most people will use that and then the game will mostly be clan vs clan and I'm guessing they aren't going for that. Or they could do mix tech but I'm guessing a lot of the lore minded won't like that either and most would still be picking clan tech.

The issue is more of how much is most 51% is most and 99% is most. The folks playing the actual Invasion (like me) are going to play cause they want to try to upset Canon One way or the other! I wanna y my hand at beating the Clans. I don't want to beat a watered down Goliath. That will be no fun. I can fight Kuritans for that!

[Nik Van Rhijn]

I have the mech that i was waiting for (Shawk) and am looking forward to killing Clan lights and mediums.
With regard to balancing pilots - that is supposed to be done by Elo.
Half the IS didn't see the Clans, at least directly. Assuming we have enough players I am assuming (dangerous thing to do here I know) that we will have IS v IS, Clan v Clan and Clan v IS, at least once CW comes in.
A practised high Elo team in IS mechs will slaughter average PUGs in Clan mechs.

[Malzel]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

This is my first Competitive Multiplay game, So reevaluate please where you think I am coming from.

I think you misunderstood me, because I was trying to say, very nicely, that I can tell this is your first competitive game. I've been playing them since Halo came out in 2001, and the kind of game you wish for MWO to be would not work as a competitive game. People my age just wouldn't play it, and you need the people my age for it to succeed.

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

The folks playing the actual Invasion (like me) are going to play cause they want to try to upset Canon One way or the other!

This is exactly what I'm saying. The MWO that you want only appeals to the old-school, nostalgia-driven BT fans. The rest of us aren't invested in "canon", we just want to play a balanced, fun, competitive shooter. If you want MWO to succeed, you're going to have to recognize that you are an overwhelming minority, and the game can't survive if it's designed around that minority.

Edited by Malzel, 19 December 2013 - 11:32 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Malzel, on 19 December 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

I think you misunderstood me, because I was trying to say, very nicely, that I can tell this is your first competitive game. I've been playing them since Halo came out in 2001, and the kind of game you wish for MWO to be would not work as a competitive game. People my age just wouldn't play it, and you need the people my age for it to succeed.


This is exactly what I'm saying. The MWO that you want only appeals to the old-school, nostalgia-driven BT fans. The rest of us aren't invested in "canon", we just want to play a balanced, fun, competitive shooter. If you want MWO to succeed, you're going to have to recognize that you are an overwhelming minority, and the game can't survive if it's designed around that minority.

LOL then People "your age" need to grow up and learn how to compete!

[Varent]

honestly im one of the hardcore old school battle tech fans, and I still favor game balance and a well balanced shooter. Ive read through the books. Ive played the other games.....I can create my own story and drive, thank you very much.

Its not even about competing. Its about a balanced shooter.

[Imperius]

The thread is here http://mwomercs.com/...ctive-feedback/ why make this one?

[Daneiel]

Malzel, on 19 December 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

I think you misunderstood me, because I was trying to say, very nicely, that I can tell this is your first competitive game. I've been playing them since Halo came out in 2001, and the kind of game you wish for MWO to be would not work as a competitive game. People my age just wouldn't play it, and you need the people my age for it to succeed.


This is exactly what I'm saying. The MWO that you want only appeals to the old-school, nostalgia-driven BT fans. The rest of us aren't invested in "canon", we just want to play a balanced, fun, competitive shooter. If you want MWO to succeed, you're going to have to recognize that you are an overwhelming minority, and the game can't survive if it's designed around that minority.

Oooo now we got it you are Halo generation !!!! On other hand most of us are Mechwarrior/Battletech generation thats why we care for MW/BT gameplay !!!!

[Varent]

daneiel varna, on 19 December 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

Oooo now we got it you are Halo generation !!!! On other hand most of us are Mechwarrior/Battletech generation thats why we care for MW/BT gameplay !!!!

battletech generation here, Still care about it being a well balanced shooter.

[Almond Brown]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Cover and concealment?

LOL! Good one Joesph. Now if we could only get folks to apply that technique using current IS Tech. That way, at least, they would have some practical practice, before going headlong into the new Clan breach.

[Joseph Mallan]

Varent, on 19 December 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

honestly im one of the hardcore old school battle tech fans, and I still favor game balance and a well balanced shooter. Ive read through the books. Ive played the other games.....I can create my own story and drive, thank you very much.

Its not even about competing. Its about a balanced shooter.

Bu it is about competing. I came here to be an inner sphere player just so I could test my chops against "The Clan Invasion". That mean I cam here expecting to lose 80% of my games or more for 2+ years and occasionally pulling of a grand upset. then move on to Huntress and see if we could beat the Smoke Jags as written. That is the game I was told I was joining! A day to day realtime recreation. We still don't have the game at all yet. and I see the measure of the average player. OP is nothing I have heard in decades of play! Not until I came here and Neverwinter's Night. Whitcher 2 is a much harsher game than MW:O and not a single player complained cause it was OP! I never in 30 years of gaming lost 30 times to the very first Boss fight... Till Whitcher2! Finished the game in 3 months... normally finish these games in 4 days tops! AN THAT WAS ON EASY MODE!!! The game would not let me into a harder mode

[Almond Brown]

Nik Van Rhijn, on 19 December 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

I have the mech that i was waiting for (Shawk) and am looking forward to killing Clan lights and mediums.
With regard to balancing pilots - that is supposed to be done by Elo.
Half the IS didn't see the Clans, at least directly. Assuming we have enough players I am assuming (dangerous thing to do here I know) that we will have IS v IS, Clan v Clan and Clan v IS, at least once CW comes in.
A practised high Elo team in IS mechs will slaughter average PUGs in Clan mechs.

Given how elo is "supposed" to work, those to pairings (elite vs Average) should never happen, regardless of Tech level...

[dario03]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

LOL then People "your age" need to grow up and learn how to compete!

Some people prefer games to be balanced so that skill is what decides the winner. Not who brought the better stuff.

[Varent]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Bu it is about competing. I came here to be an inner sphere player just so I could test my chops against "The Clan Invasion". That mean I cam here expecting to lose 80% of my games or more for 2+ years and occasionally pulling of a grand upset. then move on to Huntress and see if we could beat the Smoke Jags as written. That is the game I was told I was joining! A day to day realtime recreation. We still don't have the game at all yet. and I see the measure of the average player. OP is nothing I have heard in decades of play! Not until I came here and Neverwinter's Night. Whitcher 2 is a much harsher game than MW:O and not a single player complained cause it was OP! I never in 30 years of gaming lost 30 times to the very first Boss fight... Till Whitcher2! Finished the game in 3 months... normally finish these games in 4 days tops! AN THAT WAS ON EASY MODE!!! The game would not let me into a harder mode

none of those games are shooters... this one is... MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR difference.

At the end of everything you need to realize that and understand the types of people that play shooters as well. This is geared towards them.

Honestly it sounds what your looking for is a roleplay, not a shooter or simulation. Which is fine and I approve highly, in fact my guild does this quite abit... that said, your not gonna find that here.

[Joseph Mallan]

Almond Brown, on 19 December 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

LOL! Good one Joesph. Now if we could only get folks to apply that technique using current IS Tech. That way, at least, they would have some practical practice, before going headlong into the new Clan breach.

First, players would need to learn TACTICs, Then about Over lapping fields of fire, the proper application of Suppressive fire. I was on a series of losses with my alt Anton Last night. What I was was more coordinated teams kicking the {Scrap} out of my teams! It was actually beautiful to watch a real team cut the the chaff that was my teams!

[Almond Brown]

Imperius, on 19 December 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

The thread is here http://mwomercs.com/...ctive-feedback/ why make this one?

Simple, post #2 read:

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I would love to believe anything said at this point.... I really would.... but the management seems out of touch.

When they start like that, decent discussion is never going to be about the actual topic, ever....

Thus these off-shoots. (which appear quasi coherent at least)