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[Sandpit]

Yay! Another ballistics are op thread! What are we up to now? 10?

[Varent]

Sandpit, on 24 December 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Yay! Another ballistics are op thread! What are we up to now? 10?

Pie.

[Sandpit]

Varent, on 24 December 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Pie.

Bacon

Yay, another ballistics thread!
http://mwomercs.com/...t-fire-weapons/
http://mwomercs.com/...w-with-weapons/
http://mwomercs.com/...rs-misslewaste/
http://mwomercs.com/...weapon-balance/
http://mwomercs.com/...r-jumpjet-ppcs/
http://mwomercs.com/...27-gauss-rifle/
http://mwomercs.com/...-of-ac-weapons/
http://mwomercs.com/...vs-ecm-balance/
http://mwomercs.com/...-jump-ppc-jump/

That's without even doing a search, just looking at the front page

[Accursed Richards]

Sandpit, on 24 December 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Yay! Another ballistics are op thread! What are we up to now? 10?

It's almost like several people are unhappy with it, or something.

[Noesis]

Yes it would seem to demonstrate a substantial body of opinion about the subject.

It is very helpful of Sandpit to continue his librarian work in documenting the content for others to appreciate.

Though he doesn't offer any real content in discussion with the actual topic from his own viewpoint and more concerned with pilots posting habits it seems. I thought this was normally the duties more associated to moderation staff with any relevance on the use of the forums?

[Sandpit]

Noesis, on 24 December 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Yes it would seem to demonstrate a substantial body of opinion about the subject.

It is very helpful of Sandpit to continue his librarian work in documenting the content for others to appreciate.

Though he doesn't offer any real content in discussion with the actual topic from his own viewpoint and more concerned with pilots posting habits it seems. I thought this was normally the duties more associated to moderation staff with any relevance on the use of the forums?

Feel free to dig through about 4 of those DUPLICATE threads. MY real content was mentioned there. There's no point in retyping all of my points again
and again
and again
and again
and again
Someone will jsut post a "new" thread, then I'll have to repost them again
and again
and again
and again
and again
and again

Not a hyperbole when it's true.

Feel free to keep "blaiming" me for pointing out that there's 20 threads on the same subject. How about you post them in OFFICIAL FEEDBACK threads instead of getting ******** when someone points out that everything you thought was "new and exciting" was already stated
20 times
in the same section of the forums
on the front page


But hey, I'll be your scapegoat. I've been doing that since I decided to join premades back in CB. The difference between me and the rest doing this kinda stuff?
I admit I'm offering nothing constructive. I offered constructive ideas last week
and the week before
and the week before
in the 20 or so duplicate threads

Oh, and one more thing? You don't have to be a moderate to try and actually do something useful on the forums, like I don't know....

Helping stop 20 threads on the same subject appear on the front page in duplicate posts so the REST of the community ouside of the 20 or so posting in those threads can actually find information on other topics. If you REALLY think what I'm doing and saying is bad, feel free to hit the report button. Of course if you do that then the mods are more quickly alerted to the duplicate threads violating the CoC of the forums and helps get them jettisoned and locked faster. Either way, I win

[Noesis]

Really so you'd much prefer to see them locked or jettisoned as opposed to merged, if and only if, there is a duplication in content? Otherwise if there is a difference in presented content even if slight why doesn't it afford that content to be heard in the context intended by the OP? Of which only moderation should adjudicate not you. So to say there is a problem when not confirmed by moderation suggests that your interpretation may not in fact be correct.

Have you thought about improving your own personal filters? And/or using the report button you advocate is the tool for moderation needs?

Seems to me you're "more" concerned on controlling discussion with pseudo moderation and quips than offering objective content, which you may do also of course when not fixated with other peoples posting habits.

[El Bandito]

Biglead, on 24 December 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Laser/missles will suddenly become not a waste when SRM hit detection returns.

In 2015.

[OznerpaG]

from what i *understand* SRMs hit fine in salvos of 8 or under, so if you use SRMs chain fire them or do groups of 2 SRM4s

but that's just what i read, i never tested it out. and chain fire is not the most effective use of SRMs to begin with...

Edited by JagdFlanker, 25 December 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[Bagheera]

Biglead, on 24 December 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Laser/missles will suddenly become not a waste when SRM hit detection returns. There are a whole bunch of people that forgot what 18 SRM's to the throat feels like.

You realize that isn't happening until after CW, right?

Russ or someone pretty much used those exact words on their twittyfaceyspace page.

[Black Ivan]

If ballistiscs would be ok there would not be so much topics about it. Looks like there is somethign awfulyl wrong with them so that people complain .

PGI better listen

[Sandpit]

Noesis, on 24 December 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Really so you'd much prefer to see them locked or jettisoned as opposed to merged, if and only if, there is a duplication in content? Otherwise if there is a difference in presented content even if slight why doesn't it afford that content to be heard in the context intended by the OP? Of which only moderation should adjudicate not you. So to say there is a problem when not confirmed by moderation suggests that your interpretation may not in fact be correct.

Have you thought about improving your own personal filters? And/or using the report button you advocate is the tool for moderation needs?

Seems to me you're "more" concerned on controlling discussion with pseudo moderation and quips than offering objective content, which you may do also of course when not fixated with other peoples posting habits.

I'd love to see them merged. Point being they shouldn't have to be merged. There's hundreds of forumites and a handful of mods that volunteer their time to keep these things from getting out of hand. How about follow the CoC and NOT post 50 duplicate threads? Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, this is the MWO community. Blame PGI and the mods for poor behavior from the players and posters. It's THEIR fault there's so many duplicate threads. (Don't believe me? That's the EXACT answer I was given as to why duplicate threads like this are "ok" in one of the numerous duplicate threads)

[Noesis]

Sandpit, on 25 December 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

I'd love to see them merged. Point being they shouldn't have to be merged. There's hundreds of forumites and a handful of mods that volunteer their time to keep these things from getting out of hand. How about follow the CoC and NOT post 50 duplicate threads? Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, this is the MWO community. Blame PGI and the mods for poor behavior from the players and posters. It's THEIR fault there's so many duplicate threads. (Don't believe me? That's the EXACT answer I was given as to why duplicate threads like this are "ok" in one of the numerous duplicate threads)

But Mods can do this. They aren't because only you think they have no value or are just duplicating interests. You FAIL in so many regards to see these things in context. If you only want to simplify things down to an abundance of nerf ballistics threads that is all you will see as opposed to seeing these things in context. Where if the rudimentary cause for these issues is OP ballistics in comparison to other weapon types the issue it causes might actually be something in a totally different context.

However, you aren't a mod, so you aren't entitled to decide these things. Your denial to consider this in a repetitive fashion will mean I will have to improve my own filter and simply ignore this over simplified "pedantry" with others posting.

[Sandpit]

Noesis, on 25 December 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

But Mods can do this. They aren't because only you think they have no value or are just duplicating interests. You FAIL in so many regards to see these things in context. If you only want to simplify things down to an abundance of nerf ballistics threads that is all you will see as opposed to seeing these things in context. Where if the rudimentary cause for these issues is OP ballistics in comparison to other weapon types the issue it causes might actually be something in a totally different context.

However, you aren't a mod, so you aren't entitled to decide these things. Your denial to consider this in a repetitive fashion will mean I will have to improve my own filter and simply ignore this over simplified "pedantry" with others posting.

roflmao

this is great. there's what, 4 actice mods and 5000 thousand active threads during the holidays? THAT'S why they aren't. Feel free to peruse all the licked threads that say "Locked for being a duplicate thread"

"You don't get to decide"
Well no ****. That's why I hit the report button and let the mods do their thing when they get time during their volunteered hours over holiday seasons. I will, however, continue pointing out that the other thousand or so players that peruse the forums get tired of having to reread the EXACT SAME POST in duplicate threads that the same 20 or so memebers continue to post. If you don't like what I'm posting the report button is right there

[Sandpit]

f you notice? In all of the "op, broken, up, etc." threads? It's the same 20 or so players posting the same exact posts over and over and over and over again, with a few new players here and there once in a while giving their opinions.

PGI, please just know that not everyone (and judging by just about every single poll these players posting this kinda stuff have ever posted) agrees that the isn't balanced

Lasers = good place right now
ballistics = good place right now
heat = good place right now
SRMs = could use a look at hit registration

The game, overall, is very well-balanced at the moment. Please do not continue implementing easy buttons for those that simply cannot or will not adjust. Those of us that actually look for a challenging game appreciate where the game is now.

[Biglead]

Bagheera, on 25 December 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

You realize that isn't happening until after CW, right?

Russ or someone pretty much used those exact words on their twittyfaceyspace page.

You realize I don't care right?

I mean, I can walk away from my computer and not have a social meltdown because CW was postponed again. The time is going to pass anyway, just do something else.

El Bandito, on 24 December 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

In 2015.

Maybe you'd like to curl up in the fetal position and cry about it until then?

[Varent]

Big lead I like you, here's a cookie.

[Lightfoot]

Lasers=Medium Laser. It has the right duration for it's usual range. The Large Lasers should have the shortest durations so they are accurate over long range distances. Like, that is why they are 5 tons instead of 2 or 3.

LRMs could be better, but then the forums would erupt into insanity again about LRMs shouldn't be as good as direct-fire blah-blah. If you are serious about trying LRMs you need BAP, Artemis, and maybe TAG. TAG's real value is it defeats ECM. If you can, get Advanced Target Decay. Even with that you will still need to brawl any brawlers or Light mechs so never boat LRMs, take a mixed loadout with about 50% LRM payload and 50% Guns, ERPPC, or Lasers. And you also need speed.

[El Bandito]

Biglead, on 25 December 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Maybe you'd like to curl up in the fetal position and cry about it until then?

No, I'll just spam PPCs and ACs and laugh at your naive face.

[Lyoto Machida]

Lightfoot, on 25 December 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Lasers=Medium Laser. It has the right duration for it's usual range. The Large Lasers should have the shortest durations so they are accurate over long range distances. Like, that is why they are 5 tons instead of 2 or 3.

LRMs could be better, but then the forums would erupt into insanity again about LRMs shouldn't be as good as direct-fire blah-blah. If you are serious about trying LRMs you need BAP, Artemis, and maybe TAG. TAG's real value is it defeats ECM. If you can, get Advanced Target Decay. Even with that you will still need to brawl any brawlers or Light mechs so never boat LRMs, take a mixed loadout with about 50% LRM payload and 50% Guns, ERPPC, or Lasers. And you also need speed.

Boating LRMs is fine...you don't need a mixed loadout for LRMs. You just need great positioning skills and a couple backup weapons. And TAG is not a maybe if you have an energy slot available for it. Speaking of which...it should be an equipment slot like AMS/ECM anyways. On top of that, you need to be like 50-100m behind your brawlers...shooting them from long range is the wrong way to use LRMs unless you are in a premade with a dedicated spotter. Even then, I'm right behind the front line mechs.

Long Range Missiles are a misnomer in this game really.