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[mikelovskij]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

That analogy is just silly and you know it.

Once you re dead in a match, you are no longer contributing anything to the battle. Your contribution has already been made, you are just waiting out the clock to recieve the full allotment of C-bills that you earned. The game DOES NOT reward you for typing orders to your teammates, or looking over their shoulder, it rewards you for the contributions you already made, but is forcing you to wait for.

A correct analogy would be if a contractor finishes his work early, but the owner refuses to pay him unless he sits around doing nothing until the end of the work day, and docks his pay if he goes home early.

That owner is a jerk.

No, your work finishes when the game ends. Dying earlier doesn't mean finishing the job earlier.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

That analogy is just silly and you know it.

Once you re dead in a match, you are no longer contributing anything to the battle. Your contribution has already been made, you are just waiting out the clock to recieve the full allotment of C-bills that you earned. The game DOES NOT reward you for typing orders to your teammates, or looking over their shoulder, it rewards you for the contributions you already made, but is forcing you to wait for.

A correct analogy would be if a contractor finishes his work early, but the owner refuses to pay him unless he sits around doing nothing until the end of the work day, and docks his pay if he goes home early.

That owner is a jerk.

Actually it isn't that far off. I think you are just being too literal.

f you damage a mech, then die, you can still get an assist if it dies later, but ONLY if you are still in the match. If you quit, then you don't get the assist.

However, you are free to quit the match, and start a new one in another mech.

Yes the argument could be made that you did the damage and should be rewarded but guess what? The way the game was coded etc has an impact. My educated guess is it's a database issue especially since I've not gotten any reward at all on occasion (confirmed as more than just paranoia, if you start a match needing less than 100 XP for the next skill, and you don't have it when the mech is released......)

Hanging around can help you learn to be a better player. If you want more money, then just launch a new game. Trial mechs work just fine if you don't own multiple mechs and the XP will be waiting there if you decide to buy the mech later on.

*edit*

Oh yea, one more thing. It was also meant to curb suicides as a way to spam for Cash and XP. Load into a game with a mech, rush and die, then launch again with the same mech. If you went down shooting, you could farm assists over and over again. This way you won't earn XP if you leave, and you can't use the same mech over and over again to max it quickly.

And in case anyone is dumb enough to say why do you care how I level my mech, I wouldn't if this weren't A: a online multiplayer game, and B: You dying/disconning didn't leave me a mech short.

Edited by Nick Makiaveli, 12 January 2014 - 10:42 AM.

[Nikkoru]

mikelovskij, on 12 January 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

No, your work finishes when the game ends. Dying earlier doesn't mean finishing the job earlier.

But, you aren't doing any work, YOU'RE...JUST...SITTING...THERE...WASTING...YOUR...TIME

Waiting out the clock is not work.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

But, you aren't doing any work, YOU'RE...JUST...SITTING...THERE...WASTING...YOUR...TIME

Waiting out the clock is not work.

Again too damn literal. Also read my edit.

[mikelovskij]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

But, you aren't doing any work, YOU'RE...JUST...SITTING...THERE...WASTING...YOUR...TIME

Waiting out the clock is not work.

TBH you (as a player) started wasting your time from the moment you pressed the button play.
while you (as a mechwarrior) are probably dead or ejected from the mech waiting for rescue.. the game is completely lacking this kind of roleplay background so keeping discussing about similar examples is just silly imo.

[IraqiWalker]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

But, you aren't doing any work, YOU'RE...JUST...SITTING...THERE...WASTING...YOUR...TIME

Waiting out the clock is not work.

You really aren't paying attention to some of the finer details.

Helping out your team, which is your ONLY job in this game doesn't end when you die. Chat, and spectating the game can turn the tide of a fight because someone noticed that the enemy atlas is running a heavy build that needs an XL engine and his left visual side torso is fully exposed. instead of wasting three alphas on the CT and dying, your last remaining teammate sees your message informing him of that piece of information, and fires one salvo into the side torso you designated killing the atlas instantly and winning the game.

If you didn't do the chat here's what happens. Your teammate would have to lock on to the atlas, wait the full 3+ seconds it takes for the diagnosis system to give him a mapout of the enemy mech to find the weak spot WHILE under enemy fire. That might be too long of a time for him to survive against that atlas.

Thus your contribution, after you had died 8 minutes ago, wins your team the game. THAT's when your work is done. Not before.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 12 January 2014 - 10:51 AM.

[Nikkoru]

mikelovskij, on 12 January 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

TBH you (as a player) started wasting your time from the moment you pressed the button play.
while you (as a mechwarrior) are probably dead or ejected from the mech waiting for rescue.. the game is completely lacking this kind of roleplay background so keeping discussing about similar examples is just silly imo.

Here's the way I look at it.

When I choose to play MWO, I am using my time. It is my chioce. It is not a waste.

If I choose to sit and watch the rest of a match after I die, that is not a waste, because it is my choice.

However, when the game design forces me to sit and wait to get full points, THAT is wasting my time.

[Nikkoru]

IraqiWalker, on 12 January 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

You really aren't paying attention to some of the finer details.

Helping out your team, which is your ONLY job in this game doesn't end when you die. Chat, and spectating the game can turn the tide of a fight because someone noticed that the enemy atlas is running a heavy build that needs an XL engine and his left visual side torso is fully exposed. instead of wasting three alphas on the CT and dying, your last remaining teammate sees your message informing him of that piece of information, and fires one salvo into the side torso you designated killing the atlas instantly and winning the game.

If you didn't do the chat here's what happens. Your teammate would have to lock on to the atlas, wait the full 3+ seconds it takes for the diagnosis system to give him a mapout of the enemy mech to find the weak spot WHILE under enemy fire. That might be too long of a time for him to survive against that atlas.

Thus your contribution, after you had died 8 minutes ago, wins your team the game. THAT's when your work is done. Not before.

You are grasping at straws, here. We both know the scenario you describe is extremely rare. 99% of comments from dead people involve complaining about how much their team sucked.

Edited by Nikkoru, 12 January 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[Modo44]

Nikkoru, on 10 January 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

I've heard it both ways. I've heard that you should leave a match once your dead and play another mech, and I've heard that you shouldn't because you'll get fewer c bills.

You get whatever rewards you earned up to the point of leaving. To maximize your income over time, you want to leave as soon as your mech is destroyed, and immediately launch in another one. Your per match income will suffer a little (missing out on assists), but playing more matches quicker will more than make up for that.

I would recommend sticking around if the match looks even. You can witness some awesome skill.

[Appogee]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

You are grasping at straws, here. We both know the scenario you describe is extremely rare. 99% of comments from dead people involve complaining about how much their team sucked.

If you stayed around after you died in more MWO matches, you'd see that many of the comments are helpful and constructive.

Touche.

/thread

[Nikkoru]

Appogee, on 12 January 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

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If you stayed around after you died in more MWO matches, you'd see that many of the comments are helpful and constructive.

Touche.

/thread

I do stick around.

Quite often.

Because the game forces me to.

And, no, they aren't.

Touche

/thread

Edited by Nikkoru, 12 January 2014 - 11:25 AM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

You are grasping at straws, here. We both know the scenario you describe is extremely rare. 99% of comments from dead people involve complaining about how much their team sucked.

So since other people are dumb, you can't be helpful after you die?

Nice logic there.

[JD R]

You didn't get your reward after you click quite match. You get your reward after your Mech returns to available and the rewards are calculated after the match.

Mech XY hit Mech A ,B and C B and C dies later Mech XY get 2 assists.

I never read anything about just get assists if you stay in game.

[ValdnadHartagga]

When I die, I immediately relay my last coordinates and enemies encountered, along with any weak points if I had identified them. Goes something like "STK FOXTROT killed me A3 moving east, weak LT, PPC boat" or as simple as "Light lance killed me, last known J10." Anyone who is paying attention will benefit, as they know what to expect from what direction. If they kill those who killed me, I benefit further with a small reward. And it's satisfying when people listen to and act on tactical info.

If I'm spectating a player who doesn't seem to know what he's doing (or a player who could change the outcome of the game with more information), I'll address tips to them, such as "<Player> direct LRMs to targets on your left" or "No guns on that Atlas, find a bigger threat." This benefits the team as well, leading to more assists and potential victory.

Clearly we're not changing your mind about anything regarding end-match rewards, but let me say that for me, I could care less about c-bills and more about actually enjoying the process of playing a match. Hell, my c-bill balance is often closer to zero than not (and I only own three engines for all my 'Mechs) and I've been playing this came since Closed Beta. I have fun trying to organize a victory out of eleven random people I've never met rather than saving up to buy that next chassis. The acquisition of a few spare fictional currency notes isn't worth arguing.

[mikelovskij]

Nikkoru, on 12 January 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

I do stick around.

Quite often.

Because the game forces me to.

And, no, they aren't.

Touche

/thread

The game doesn't force you. Vice versa: you can start a new game and gain more c-bills than staying there spectating. Not as much as if the game would give you a full reward but still the convenience is in quitting and starting a new one.

[z00med]

Am I the only one thinking:

?
Seriously, if ppl explain "how to code a game properly" because they feel betrayed for the "fruits" of their "hard work" on a public forum...well, the web bears strange things.

I strongly recommend to Nikkoru to get better, then he will soon get into matches with people who stick around and try to help. I'd (and my Elo is not very high) say around 60-70% of the comments from the (Dead) are helpfull. 15% are funny and the rest is "typical Tank kiddo" spam.

I think it is FANTASTIC GAME DESIGN to punish people who get killed after 2min, then rant in the chat, then leave
And if you never cheered with half of your (Dead)Team in the chat for your last Assault who pulls a heroic win (or at least last stand^^)against 2 remaining enemies... well, imho you missed half the fun.

Edited by z00med, 12 January 2014 - 01:10 PM.

[Nikkoru]

Nick Makiaveli, on 12 January 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

So since other people are dumb, you can't be helpful after you die?

Nice logic there.

If you ever get tired of beating the snot out of that strawman you just created, and want to join the actual conversation, let me know.

[HeavyRain]

So basically this thread has 3-4 different answers to the original question, is there anyone who can point us to an official post detailing what happens is you die and then quit the match? Otherwise we could just as well discuss about the weather.

[Nikkoru]

z00med, on 12 January 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I strongly recommend to Nikkoru to get better

...And there it is.

I swear sometimes you can set your watch by it.

Look, I shouldn't have to say this, but just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I'm bad.

Personally, I'm shocked there are so many of you willing to defend such a deeply flawed mechanic. I can only attribute it to stockholm syndrome.

[z00med]

I vote for GOLDMECHS! Lets discuss them!
or AC40 vs PPC troll meta!
I love this forum, so much fun^^

edit: Nikkoru, maybe you were just unlucky with your Pugs. smart-a**ing in public wont get you sympathies, though. And claiming you alone know how things should work, putting opposite opinions in the "psycho-corner" is sooo... err... lets say "cute"

Edited by z00med, 12 January 2014 - 01:38 PM.