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[Kyynele]

Turist0AT, on 13 January 2014 - 03:28 AM, said:

i dissagre with you.
Maybe the best light is a jenner, i dont know, dont use lights. Victor and Highlander are good becase of its balanced hardpoints, but you cant boat anything in them. You cant make them into balistic powerhouse like the ILYA and you cant make them into laser boat like the stalker.
They are as you say Jack of all traides master of none. The recent changes to the game made this kind of balanced(hardpoint/tonnage vise) mech VERY effective. Because boating has been hit with a nerf bat.

Do you seriously call poptarting pinpoint-alpha autocannon-PPC builds balanced jack of all trades? Or aren't you just really aware why Victors and Highlanders are considered good in the current meta?

[Rushin Roulette]

SirLANsalot, on 12 January 2014 - 11:51 PM, said:

If it doesn't have JJ, or isn't 100 tons, they don't use them.

The funny thing is, if people ask "What Hero mech should I buy?" You wont see anyone resomending either the Jester or the Boars Head... 90% of the replies will be either get the Ilya Muromets or the Firebrand (with a close third recomendation for the Heavy Metal). One thing I note from these recommendations, neither of the frist 2 recommendated mechs are either 100 Tons heavy nor do they even have the possibility of mounting Jumpjets. Can you explain that?

The current 12v12 meta is really lame with 4 ERLL/ERPPC sniper lights /8 Highlanders . When you get beaten by them its all the usual trashtalk from them... but dont you dare win against them and it will be all excuses ("you were lucky you caught us before we could group up" No surprise if your team is so slow and fat that this takes ages to happen and you dont have any scouts running around to do any actual scouting).

Trash threads like this one are the reason why the player base is becoming too dumb and unimaginative to make any other loadout with less weight and a more balanced team setup work.

[Vidarok]

I agree with the OP, Highlanders and Victors are too common. I see at least 4 of these in every single game. Other 'mechs that are commonly spotted (in my experience) are Stalkers, Atlases, Catapults and Jagermechs. Note that none of these are particularly light...

I long for the day I see a fellow Quickdraw pilot.

[Rhaythe]

Vidarok, on 13 January 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

I agree with the OP, Highlanders and Victors are too common. I see at least 4 of these in every single game. Other 'mechs that are commonly spotted (in my experience) are Stalkers, Atlases, Catapults and Jagermechs. Note that none of these are particularly light...

I long for the day I see a fellow Quickdraw pilot.

I have seen an uptick in mediums lately. Thank goodness. Unfortunately, it's been along the lines of the PPC meta. A Grid-Iron with dual-PPCs. 'Hawks with PPCs. Etc etc etc. It's pretty rare to see a game these days without blue streaks flying across the map.

But hey, it changes. The meta evolves. Slowly.

[Turist0AT]

Kyynele, on 13 January 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Do you seriously call poptarting pinpoint-alpha autocannon-PPC builds balanced jack of all trades? Or aren't you just really aware why Victors and Highlanders are considered good in the current meta?

Yeah, your point being?

They have couple of balistic hardponts couple of energy and couple of missiles. The problem is with the 12man and the competetive scene, wich the game is not ballanced for and ppl abuse it.
In my PUG matches there isnt any of those problem, at least on my prime time. Maybe different for Americans.

You must have missed to read:

"The recent changes to the game made this kind of balanced(hardpoint/tonnage vise) mech VERY effective. Because boating has been hit with a nerf bat."

Edited by Turist0AT, 13 January 2014 - 05:23 AM.

[Kubernetes]

Vidarok, on 13 January 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

I long for the day I see a fellow Quickdraw pilot.

I just bought three Quickdraws.

I'm surprised you don't see them more. They're decently armored, have JJ, and can mount two PPCs in the torso mounts. They run like baby Highlanders at medium speed, which makes them pretty nasty poptarters.

[Reitrix]

Kubernetes, on 13 January 2014 - 05:27 AM, said:

I just bought three Quickdraws.

I'm surprised you don't see them more. They're decently armored, have JJ, and can mount two PPCs in the torso mounts. They run like baby Highlanders at medium speed, which makes them pretty nasty poptarters.

I love Poptarters. Especially when i run my Atlas with an AC20+AC2, pop the AC/2 at his hill, he thinks i failed my AC20 shot, then pop him in the face with the AC20 as he rises, which ruins his aiming and scares the {Scrap} out of him.
I also love facing poptarts on my A1, It's awful funny to rain LRM5s all over his cover while my Assaults go around it and cream him.
I love facing 'Metamechs' on most of my 'Mechs. They're all two shot wonders who have no idea what to do if the target doesn't die on the second shot.

[Kyynele]

Turist0AT, on 13 January 2014 - 05:18 AM, said:

You must have missed to read:

"The recent changes to the game made this kind of balanced(hardpoint/tonnage vise) mech VERY effective. Because boating has been hit with a nerf bat."

Well, I myself consider loading mechs with nothing else than instant pinpoint direct damage weapons a form of boating, even if it's a mix of ACs and PPCs.

The prevalent builds are typically 2x AC5 + 2x PPC, 2x UAC5 + 2x PPC, AC20 + 2x PPC, with JJs, Victors with a large XL engine.

Actually balanced loadouts on Victors and Highlanders are about as bad as all other mechs.

[Escef]

Kyynele, on 13 January 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

Well, I myself consider loading mechs with nothing else than instant pinpoint direct damage weapons a form of boating, even if it's a mix of ACs and PPCs.

You consider it boating when you get to change what "boating" means? That's outstanding.

[Mcgral18]

Escef, on 13 January 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

You consider it boating when you get to change what "boating" means? That's outstanding.

Well, boating pinpoint weapons is pretty much the meta, so yes, he's right. It just so happens that PPCs and ACs are pinpoint, and do not have a spread mechanic like, you know, almost all other weapon systems.

[ToxinTractor]

Ya know.. No one is forcing you to run those mechs?

I know I own a jager mech and a jenner... and hell I dont use my jager much and my jenner while fun- has a few short comings.

Just because the meta right now is 40 damage pin point strikes doesnt mean you have to follow it. Hell I have a Tbolt that makes AMAZING use of ERLLs. And I also am currently using a tripple AC2 Shawk, again. Wonderful damage output. You dont exactly need that 40 damage alpha. DPS builds work great as well provided you know what role you have to fill. Hell, Ive even used SRMs to great affect against larger targets in oxide and a Tbolt backed with PLs.

I know my next mech to attempt to bend the "meta" with will likely either be a Treb or a quickdraw.

[z00med]

lockwoodx, on 12 January 2014 - 11:08 PM, said:

It's the jenner, victor, or highlander.

Anything else is just tricking yourself into thinking your useful.

With a meta this narrow.... no wonder this game is on the brink.

Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
I am sorry that you get only second price for this weeks self-pwnage, but the dude starting several threads claiming multiple 5xLRMs are OP has beaten you.
Thanks for your participation and for sharing your thoughts. Next time please write on a piece of paper, put in a bottle and go find an ocean. The fresh air and sun will also help you to get over the terrible experiences MWO forced you into.

edit: Sorry, but I cant help it. I have to comment stuff like this like this. If the O.P. plays in Elo regions far above mine and is actually correct... well, still a senseless thread.

Edited by z00med, 13 January 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[Turist0AT]

Kyynele, on 13 January 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

The prevalent builds are typically 2x AC5 + 2x PPC, 2x UAC5 + 2x PPC, AC20 + 2x PPC, with JJs, Victors with a large XL engine.

Not in my games. I see allot of Jägers and many of them are AC-40 but far from all.

Edited by Turist0AT, 13 January 2014 - 07:13 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I kind of like trying unconventional builds and a few do well. If you ignore your KD and just try and have fun most any mech is a good time. Just have to find the parameters you want and adjust your playstyle to it. Many roles to fill in this game if you don't get stuck in chasing stats. I do have my Meta mechs to grind with but its more about coin than KD. Being near blind I had to learn how to guess my shots more than anything else so it took months to even be effective. Maybe that's why KD is not so important to me. Measure your personal best not what the stat clowns think is important.

[Amsro]

HAHA the idea that on 3 Chassis are good and the rest suck is comical.

There isn't a mech I own that is bad. Only bad pilots, no bad mechs.

Edited by Amsro, 14 January 2014 - 05:23 AM.

[Jman5]

I wont argue that there are better and worse mechs out there, or better and worse loadouts.

However, it's important to take a step back sometimes and be realistic about how much better some of these meta mechs are compared to their peers. I believe that the difference between a "meta mech" and a non-meta mech is often much smaller than people realize. It's just everyone latched onto the meta mech and it gives the illusion of vast superiority because it's all you see.

If something is 1% better than anything else at a common strategy. You will see it 90% of the time competitively. Is the jump sniping Dragon Slayer better than the Misery? Probably. Is it a big difference? Probably not. In fact it might even be weaker in certain scenarios. For example in a sustained brawl you're not only having major heat problems, but the enemy can even negate 1/2 - 2/3 of your firepower by moving in under 90 meters. Suddenly you're an 80 ton dual ac/5.

The biggest issue for me at least is the weight disparity. Matching my medium with an assault on the other team. It doesn't really matter how well I play because the difference is so high.

[tucsonspeed6]

Cerberias, on 13 January 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

While the OP is a little narrow in his views, in that there are many mechs that work 90% as well as the 'meta' mechs he lists, or they may even work better given set situations. The problem is that there are many garbage mechs in this game, aswell. Generally, if it doesn't have JJ's or high mounted weapons (i.e. stalkers/jagers/blackjacks), then it's not going to compete against good players. ECM does give a slight advantage to the Atlas, and it does have its niche role, but when most games come down to a fire support war it's going to lose out with large profile and weapons mounted around it's ankles.

My only problem is when I see people running around in a CTF-4X, muromets, or some other 'large profile weapons around my ankles' mech, thinking they're awesome because that game they played against {Surat}. No, you did not do awesome, you might have played that specific game well, but it was the other team being {Scrap} that gave you that score. The problem is that it's very hard for new players to realise that mechs with these characteristics are horrible, and there is very little indication that this is the way, outside of asking good players or figuring it out for yourself through some serious critical thinking. You get a lot of people spouting off in the forums about how well they did in their terribad mech discounting all the games they got stomped, and thats what the new players see and try, as the 'top' players seem to be quite absent from the MWO forums generally.

We really need a proper guide for new players, telling them how the game actually is, explaining what that guy in the jumping mech just tore them apart with and what they can do to be on an equal footing.

Did you just give the MWO equivalent of the [Redacted] speech?

Edited by Niko Snow, 14 January 2014 - 09:30 AM.
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[Shismar]

Just play what you like. Chances are the best results will not be in Meta of the Month mech.

In my PUG matches I see a good mix of mechs including all weights and models. As it should be.

[NRP]

OMG, is Lockwood the one with that dual LB-10x Hunchback that was going to ruin the game unless PGI did something about it, or do I have the OP mixed up with some other loon?

By the way, it's the archer, not the arrow. I've seen good pilots wreck house with every mech in the game. Only a scrub looks at the result of an encounter (or even a match) and thinks whatever happened was solely due to the mech itself. Take some personal responsibility for christs sake.

[Monsoon]

LoL, another idiotic thread started by someone of questionable skill and/or intellect.