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[Joseph Mallan]

Ngamok, on 15 January 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

Since there is no chat system in place to coordinate 3 lances in pug matches, the tonnage mix match will usually produce lopsided results.

That is the price we must pay for not using the TS3 servers that are there to support playing the game on. Seriously, we all know that comms help coordinate. So knowing that if we are not using it to help our team do better, it is a choice we have to live with. I have for the better part of 7 months now! *shrug*

[3rdworld]

FupDup, on 15 January 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

If Elo were more effective at grouping players of similar "skill" (however we choose to define it), then that wouldn't be an issue.

(Or we could just buff the underperforming mechs and not add MM handicaps for using them, but buffing things is heresy).

That again shows the failure of ELO not taking chassis into consideration. Lets assume the MM is working perfectly 2 high elo assault players would be put on different teams. But 1 takes a VCT-DS and the other takes a AWS-8Q....

Edited by 3rdworld, 15 January 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[FupDup]

3rdworld, on 15 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

That again shows the failure of ELO not taking chassis into consideration. Lets assume the MM is working perfectly 2 high elo assault players would be put on different teams. But 1 takes a VCT-DS and the other takes a AWS-8Q.

One way to cure that ailment would be to improve the chassis that aren't up to par. In this case the AWS needs some serious hitbox adjustments (and buffs to energy weapons in general).

Edited by FupDup, 15 January 2014 - 08:32 AM.

[Deathlike]

3rdworld, on 15 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

That again shows the failure of ELO not taking chassis into consideration. Lets assume the MM is working perfectly 2 high elo assault players would be put on different teams. But 1 takes a VCT-DS and the other takes a AWS-8Q....

The 7 Flamer Awesome will win!

Fupdup's Flamer vid is proof!

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 15 January 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

The 7 Flamer Awesome will win!

Fupdup's Flamer vid is proof!

It has a DEVASTATING effect on the back of a Centurion!

...And the internals of the mech using the Flamers.

Edited by FupDup, 15 January 2014 - 08:37 AM.

[3rdworld]

FupDup, on 15 January 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

One way to cure that ailment would be to improve the chassis that aren't up to par. In this case the AWS needs some serious hitbox adjustments (and buffs to energy weapons in general).

That of course would be the best solution, but would require piggy to actually make meaningful and useful balance changes.

Edited by 3rdworld, 15 January 2014 - 08:35 AM.

[Ngamok]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

That is the price we must pay for not using the TS3 servers that are there to support playing the game on. Seriously, we all know that comms help coordinate. So knowing that if we are not using it to help our team do better, it is a choice we have to live with. I have for the better part of 7 months now! *shrug*

It's not that. If you have people dropping solo or in 2,3,4 man groups and they are in NGNG or Comstar or not in any VOIP at all, you can't magically coordinated them all unless you are typing instructions in all the time. They would have to connect to those TS3 servers and then find all 12 people in one channel and quickly. If the game had in game VOIP like Counter Strike or other type of game that has it, it becomes much easier.

Even Steam's voice chat system would work if MWO was integrated with it. I've used it before, it's not bad. They would make use of that system if they went with a Steam release.

Edited by Ngamok, 15 January 2014 - 08:37 AM.

[Deathlike]

3rdworld, on 15 January 2014 - 08:34 AM, said:

That of course would be the best solution, but would require piggy to actual make meaningful and useful balance changes.

What is this heresy that you are talking about?

You mean the "working as intended™" campaign?

[Joseph Mallan]

BillyM, on 14 January 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

...ya think?



Nailed it!

--billyM

So you never wanna face an assault company? That is what the 10th Lyran is supposed to look like. What are you going to do if you drop where they are defending?

[Ngamok]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

So you never wanna face an assault company? That is what the 10th Lyran is supposed to look like. What are you going to do if you drop where they are defending?

Orbital Bombardment.

[nightsniper]

This feels like the pains experienced in WOT with Match Maker and balance. I am really concerned that once the Clan mechs enter that this is totally a disaster. Yes I listened to the Vlog and heard they are working on balance but hey the list of working on is longer then their nose now.

I mean really how hard can it be to balance based on Tonnage or even BV since the mechs are using Battletech configs so what if you drop 10 v 12 if the tonnage is say under 5% or BV is under 10%.

The way it is going (like WOT and Clan Games) your going to get 10 Atlases and 2 scouts in any CW game.

Come on MWO can do better then a bunch of Russians can, Can't they?

[Joseph Mallan]

Ngamok, on 15 January 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Orbital Bombardment.

And look at what happened to the Clan that id that in this Universe. They may have won the battle but they did lose the war.

his end was sorta like this!

[Ngamok]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

And look at what happened to the Clan that id that in this Universe. They may have won the battle but they did lose the war.

his end was sorta like this!

[Joseph Mallan]

Ngamok, on 15 January 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

Sleep well and dream of large women my friend.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

FupDup, on 14 January 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

BIG things. Especially in July.

Yep - they will announce a special package of Gold IS mechs and that a version will be appearing for the X-box One.

[BillyM]

Joseph, rationalize it however you want, but the simple fact is, I said "fuggit" shutdown for the night and went elsewhere and I'm probably not the only one who did so after that game. More than 3/4 of my friends list is perma-red and 0 of 6 people I introduced to MWO are playing the game any longer. ...sure the game needs some things, but some semblance of balance for those playing mixed builds/lances is a critical necessity. I would very literally only launch solo were there a solo queue due to how terrible matchmaker is at balancing these groups who can't self-police...

--billyM

Edited by BillyM, 15 January 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[Deathlike]

BillyM, on 15 January 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Joseph, rationalize it however you want, but the simple fact is, I said "fuggit" shutdown for the night and went elsewhere and I'm probably not the only one who did so after that game. More than 3/4 of my friends list is perma-red and 0 of 6 people I introduced to MWO are playing the game any longer. ...sure the game needs some things, but some semblance of balance for those playing mixed builds/lances is a critical necessity. I would very literally only launch solo were there a solo queue due to how terrible matchmaker is at balancing these groups who can't self-police...

--billyM

Darn that Locust/Spider/Jenner/Commando/Raven lance, they are ruining my MM!

Edited by Deathlike, 15 January 2014 - 12:21 PM.

[lsp]

BillyM, on 15 January 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Joseph, rationalize it however you want, but the simple fact is, I said "fuggit" shutdown for the night and went elsewhere and I'm probably not the only one who did so after that game. More than 3/4 of my friends list is perma-red and 0 of 6 people I introduced to MWO are playing the game any longer. ...sure the game needs some things, but some semblance of balance for those playing mixed builds/lances is a critical necessity. I would very literally only launch solo were there a solo queue due to how terrible matchmaker is at balancing these groups who can't self-police...

--billyM

Play in a clan, or atleast use the free TS at no guts no galaxy to team up with other lone wolfs. And see your problems fade away. You can play nothing but meta mechs and face a enemy team of stock mechs, but if they're all communicating and your team isn't, you're still going to lose.( I actually was playing a stock victor(with SH) for elites, in a four man and we still won nearly every game.)

Edited by lsp, 15 January 2014 - 12:29 PM.

[Sandpit]

Nik Van Rhijn, on 15 January 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Yep - they will announce a special package of Gold IS mechs and that a version will be appearing for the X-box One.

[Fang01]

lsp, on 15 January 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

Play in a clan, or atleast use the free TS at no guts no galaxy to team up with other lone wolfs. And see your problems fade away. You can play nothing but meta mechs and face a enemy team of stock mechs, but if they're all communicating and your team isn't, you're still going to lose.( I actually was playing a stock victor(with SH) for elites, in a four man and we still won nearly every game.)

Good suggestion but a little late. He is in C4 of Davion, so are the other three in that lance (even that new guy that I'm gonna have to abuse for not having an affiliation yet )