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[Arahantius]

Sterling M Archer, on 19 January 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

I have a question, would you put the life of an insect or animal before the life of a human being?
Oh and you have it all wrong, I do not HATE insects, but they are what they are, and must be treated accordingly.
You can't be mad at a scorpion for stinging, that's what scorpions do, but to try and cuddle up next to one is dumb.

Forgetting lessons learned in the past makes for a bumbling future.

I actually agree with you on this that it is foolish to hate or love insects or other creatures.

When it it comes to which life to put ahead of another, I would not put any life ahead of another. I do not believe that human life is more important than any other life, this is xenophobia or the feeling that humans have of superiority over other creatures. If you look at the entire scale of the universe, humans are just as insignificant as insects and germs.

Humans are nothing special and certainly have no right to arbitrarily torture a creature to death for amusement as in the video.

[Triordinant]

Sterling M Archer, on 16 January 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

I did notice that a lot of enemy fire was just not hurting me much at all. I was even point blanked by a guy with and AC20 and It didn't even registers as a hit.

Looks like Spiders are still broken even after all these months...

[Arahantius]

Sterling M Archer, on 19 January 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

This is something you should make known to everyone you meet, that way they won't rely on you in a life and death situation, because you might decide to save the life of a grasshopper instead of a child.

I seriously do not know what to say to that other then (awful).

Awful for you maybe, but in the case of child versus grasshopper, I'd save the child.

What people don't see is the tragedy created when one group believe themselves to be better than another group.
If this superiority complex didn't exist then neither would have slavery, Hiroshima/Nagasaki wouldn't have happened, 9/11 wouldn't have happened, {Godwin's Law} wouldn't have exterminated millions etc.

There would have been no CAUSE for CONFLICT

EDIT - Please don't distract readers from the fact that you are still trying to defend the behaviour of the horrible person who tortured an innocent creature to death. I defend the innocent, you seem to prefer that the innocent have no rights.

Edited by Arahantius, 19 January 2014 - 10:43 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Back on topic I tend to think that spiders are not really broken. When their ping is near equal to mine its an easy kill. Whats broken is PGIs insistence to not add servers for the guys in the EU and Pacific rim. I know there are honorable players who wont take advantage but there are far more who do.

Nothing hits them and registers and they know it. You can see it in their movement like they are invincible. They are.

[Gremlich Johns]

Arahantius, on 19 January 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

What people don't see is the tragedy created when one group believe themselves to be better than another group.
If this superiority complex didn't exist then neither would have slavery, Hiroshima/Nagasaki wouldn't have happened, 9/11 wouldn't have happened, {Godwin's Law} wouldn't have exterminated millions etc.

You delude yourself - we do not live in such a black and white world! You obviously failed your History classes. Examine the reasons behind the use of the nuclear weapons used against japan. Examine the Japanese Governments mentality throughout WWII. Granted, Japan launched their war due to being bereft of natural resources, but the heinous acts they perpetrated during their war effort upon the Koreans, Chinese, any enemy combatants, and even their own people - those were OK? Truman agonized over this before AND after the Bombs were used.

You have willingly blinded yourself from seeing or even understanding both sides. Consider what options were available to the Allies at that time - invasion coupled with the bombing of cities. Keep in mind the zeal with which the japanese military tried to hold on to the islands in the Pacific. A massive invasion that might have killed hundreds of thousands or more on both sides. Bombing the country's cities - well, look at what the fire bombings did to them.

Look at the Crusades, now there's an example of one group thinking themselves better than the other. Wait a minute, it was all about MONEY! My bad. Religion was just a convenient excuse. But you'd know that if you knew more history.


And yes, spiders not registering the damage dealt them sucks. Fix it. Now.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 20 January 2014 - 06:31 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Gremlich Johns, on 20 January 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

You delude yourself - we do not live in such a black and white world! You obviously failed your History classes. Examine the reasons behind the use of the nuclear weapons used against japan. Examine the Japanese Governments mentality throughout WWII. Granted, Japan launched their war due to being bereft of natural resources, but the heinous acts they perpetrated during their war effort upon the Koreans, Chinese, any enemy combatants, and even their own people - those were OK? Truman agonized over this before AND after the Bombs were used.

You have willingly blinded yourself from seeing or even understanding both sides. Consider what options were available to the Allies at that time - invasion coupled with the bombing of cities. Keep in mind the zeal with which the japanese military tried to hold on to the islands in the Pacific. A massive invasion that might have killed hundreds of thousands or more on both sides. Bombing the country's cities - well, look at what the fire bombings did to them.

Look at the Crusades, now there's an example of one group thinking themselves better than the other. Wait a minute, it was all about MONEY! My bad. Religion was just a convenient excuse. But you'd know that if you knew more history.


And yes, spiders not registering the damage dealt them sucks. Fix it. Now.

Must be one of those guys who hasn't kept up. Its been proven we knew Pearl Harbor was coming and it was allowed to happen. Suggest you study the bones of station H. There was a 10 point plan to bring Japan into war and it was successful. We squeezed they till they had no other choice. Might be good if you read up on Ezra Pound too. He was interned at St. Elizabeth's after the war to keep him quiet. The same place homeland security is building their new headquarters today.

All wars are bankers wars. Its about the debt the conflict creates.

[Arahantius]

Mudhutwarrior, on 20 January 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Must be one of those guys who hasn't kept up. Its been proven we knew Pearl Harbor was coming and it was allowed to happen. Suggest you study the bones of station H. There was a 10 point plan to bring Japan into war and it was successful. We squeezed they till they had no other choice. Might be good if you read up on Ezra Pound too. He was interned at St. Elizabeth's after the war to keep him quiet. The same place homeland security is building their new headquarters today.

All wars are bankers wars. Its about the debt the conflict creates.

Thank you Mudhut

Yes indeed, there are always people who will use any reason to excuse violence, geno cide, war & torture. History, politics, religion etc are not valid excuses, they are catalysts used to let people convince themselves that it is ok.

All evil actions (I'm not religious btw) start with an ulterior motive and a belief that the victim deserves it. The actions are then excused by the survivors who write the biased history.

Anyway, I'm done with trying to explain why it's wrong to torture others. If you don't actually already understand this concept then....

'I hope those who inflict suffering have the same suffering inflicted on themselves until they learn that causing suffering leads to experiencing suffering'. (the same as the first thing I said that elicited such an amazing response, don't quote what I said because I know what I said. This is the exact translation.)

Edited by Arahantius, 20 January 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[LastPaladin]

Belphegore, on 16 January 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Most of the time it's because people fail to lead light 'mechs correctly and it's only their own aiming to blame.

Except when the light is shutdown and you point blank zero an AC/20 into their CT and it doesn't register. Can't really blame poor aim for stuff like that.

[Bromineberry]

Arahantius, on 19 January 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

The only species who kill for fun and have terrifying weapons at their disposal. The only species who nuked 2 civilian cities for their own gain. The only species who commit ******** of other species so they can have a pretty house. The only species who torture animals for monetary gain.

That's because we're the only species, intelligent enought to do so...



Regarding the Spiders:

Yes, I think they're somehow broken. I've no problem killing a Jenner (even thought it can really hurt due to its 6ML arment), it has a big CT. I've no problem killing a Raven, because the legs are soooo huge. I've no problem killing a Commanda, because it's simply not durable. And I've got not problem with killing a Locust because....well, it's a Locust. In general, I've got no problems killing lights. It's not always easy, and a really good light pilot may ****** for breakfast, but that is fine. I never feel, that it is unfair.
But Spiders on the other hand are something completely different. I simply try to avoid them, because I know, it'll take ages to kill it. And in so many games, a Spider is the last mech surviving of the losing team.
I really like to spectate Spiders, because it's such a ridiculous spectacle most of the time. I Spider running around between 6+ Medium/Heavy/Assaults, all firing away their weapoins, and the armor maybe changes from "new" to "yellow". The best moments are those, in wich the Spider STOPS in the middle of the enemy pack, because it wants to machinegun some mechs back, the enemy mechs STILL are all firing on it and it still isn't dying.
A light mech, that stops in the middle of an enemy pack including heavies and assaults should die immediately...like all theo ther lights do.

[Clit Beastwood]

Triordinant, on 19 January 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Looks like Spiders are still broken even after all these months...

doesn't mean much - lots of spider haters jump in and say "I just ran one and it's super OP!" - but we've been asking for many many many many months for some actual video proof of it and we really don't get anything. The spider hitboxes are bigger than the mech, which sucks if its fast ping vs fast ping. Clear misses reg as hits. The big problem is when there's a large disparity between pings, which isn't the mech's faul, it's the poo-y net code. Spiders are the only thing that fast WITH JJ, so not only are they rolling damage, they can do it vertically as well.

[rolly]

As much as I really do enjoy this juicy philosophical debate (I actually and honestly am)

One question for you.

If Ping has everything to do with the hit detection problems, and from what I can tell I must be literally right beside their NA server, I too cannot kill Spiders even with direct hits. Whats it going to take to address this issue?

One of the matches I was in last night, the last remaining Spider on Mt. Doom got away with killing 4 mechs, including a Stalker 5M, my Wolverine 7K and Hunchback 4G. Several recorded hits from LPL and one or two from AC/20 and.. he still kills us. I clearly scored several concentrated direct hits all along its back and legs and it (a Spider 5M) kept going. The match only ended because another 3 (!) of the team finally legged him and he gave up.

So, if ping is important, I have one of the lowest pings that I've seen. Its an average of 10, high as 26, and low as 9.

If disparity is the issue, I'm assuming I'll always have this issue because I'll always have a disparity against other players, especially light mech players?

Edited by rolly, 23 January 2014 - 01:14 PM.

[rolly]

Mudhutwarrior, on 20 January 2014 - 06:14 AM, said:

Back on topic I tend to think that spiders are not really broken. When their ping is near equal to mine its an easy kill. Whats broken is PGIs insistence to not add servers for the guys in the EU and Pacific rim. I know there are honorable players who wont take advantage but there are far more who do.

Nothing hits them and registers and they know it. You can see it in their movement like they are invincible. They are.

You know that would be really amusing if this started to happen:

"I Blanky-blank so-named warrior, challenge you to single comba.... oh wait. Nevermind. We have a disparity in ping. Carry on."

Edited by rolly, 23 January 2014 - 01:18 PM.

[rolly]

Triordinant, on 19 January 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Looks like Spiders are still broken even after all these months...

Then again, IF and WHEN its finally addressed. It will be so delightfully juicy to reap the Spider when they suddenly realize the extent of such a patch to fix this issue. Oh the flames on the forum.

[DONTOR]

Arahantius, on 18 January 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

I hope someone gets the person who did this and slowly burns them to death with a lighter.
Interesting how everyone has been convinced that humans should be protected while everything else can be tortured.

This made me laugh! Thanks for the chuckle.

[Triordinant]

Fierostetz, on 23 January 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

doesn't mean much - lots of spider haters jump in and say "I just ran one and it's super OP!" - but we've been asking for many many many many months for some actual video proof of it and we really don't get anything.

I'll just leave this here. As far as I know, it hasn't been fixed:

[mekabuser]

ill have to remember not to shoot at the spiders belly button..
seriously, that should be fixed but thats ONE small tiny spot. I kill spiders all the time.
I got swatted out of the air in mine today. In my spider, if i make a mistake I die.
Then again, my goal is not to be hit AT ALL when im in one.

add ping to the equation and i can see it being a pita.
but.. you got to be set up to deal with them.. For one.. observe.. is it max speed? is he warpy? what are you trying to hit him with? can you aim?
when dealing with spiders utilize chainfire or AIM carefully .. A spider that is taking well aimed fire is a spider that is going to leave you the f alone and find someone less dangerous.

[C E Dwyer]

Karma Police, on 16 January 2014 - 06:14 AM, said:

ok weve all seen those little buggers refuse to die.

i know there have been countless threads about this.

but this thread is for the stories.

so heres mine:

4 AC10 shots landed on a spiders back.

what was the outcome?

i was dead.

then my lance mate was able to leg him.

i then witnessed him shooting 3 LBX-AC10 shots to his CT and what was the outcome?

lance mate dead.

lovley

anyone else care to share?

you missed


I'd rather talk about the day I was mugged by 2 spiders in my Victor while isolated, 2 minutes, a few ac20 rounds supported by srm 6 volley's (what hit detection problems ! ),and medium laser fire, they lay in pieces at my feet.

[B E E L Z E B U B]

Cathy, on 24 January 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

you missed


I'd rather talk about the day I was mugged by 2 spiders in my Victor while isolated, 2 minutes, a few ac20 rounds supported by srm 6 volley's (what hit detection problems ! ),and medium laser fire, they lay in pieces at my feet.

WOW! can i be your friend?

[Mawai]

In my experience it is a hit registration issue that appears to manifest mainly on the live servers. It does not only affect spiders. I have seen Jenners being harder to hit recently (and I have been harder to hit when running my Jenner).

I've also had experiences that I wish I had caught on FRAPS. I was in a Jaegermech with 4xAC5 and fired between 8 and 10 salvos into the front CT armor of a Stalker in a recent match. That should be between 160 and 200 damage. He wasn't moving much, most if not all appeared to hit, but I didn't even manage to strip ANY of the armor from the Stalker ... his frontal CT armour was still just orange after that but I did score a total of 898 damage in that match. There definitely seemed to be an issue with either hit registration or damage application in that case.

[C E Dwyer]

Triordinant, on 23 January 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

I'll just leave this here. As far as I know, it hasn't been fixed:

Its been looked at and fixed, if there really is an issue other than bad shooting, its down to hsr, but I suspect in 95% of cases its just people looking for an excuse, because the spiders not a barn door.

Its tall and lanky its an ideal build for this game, if you look at other mechs that are good in game and punch above weight, you look at the Shadow Hawk and Victor (there really isn't a similar build in the heavy department, as the JM and Phract punch above weight because the current meta strongly favours ballistics) which while bigger and easier to hit than the bug, are of a similar ilk.

You look at the other lights even the locust is more compact than the spider, and are all easier to hit because if you miss the part your aiming at the percentage of there being another part in the way is much greater, you can see in the case of ballistic's where the slugs going and it often passes between a spiders legs, or the arm and torso, even when your sights are clearly on target.

This is not a fault in hit dectection this is pure bad luck, or good luck on the spider, and other mechs because the same happens only its more obvious to see the slug go between an assaults legs.

Because its skinny It means beam lasers are harder to keep on target and with ballistics, while your cross hairs may well be on target the spider may well have moved out the way by the time the slug has reached where it was.

An easy way to look at the way the slug moves is to move forwards fast and torso twist 90 degree's and fire the ac, and whatch the slug travel while moving, it arcs and drops, in other words you simply didn't give the spider enough lead with the rifle to make sure the slug arrives at the same point the spider does, its called deflection shooting and even at 50KPH its hard without a targeting computer to aim for you, and this is a twitch game. so its all manual aim

Edited by Cathy, 24 January 2014 - 07:46 AM.