52 replies to this topic

[Caswallon]

Ho hum another non constructive thread. OP You don't like it OK fair enough now go away!

Why do I like it? Dunno its a decent mech scrap to me period thats all no depth to it sure but as a skirmish game in Mechs its OK for now.

You want more details? Sorry why should I explain myself to you? You have judged the game wanting, which is fine, now go away its not like your Forced to be here or play. Nobody has to explain anything to you; why explain the beauty of a sunrise to a man blind? You can't seen any good so all the arguments anybody could come up with are a waste of time. Ergo you are Trolling deliberately or inadvertently I neither know nor care.

PGI may be doing it wrong by some folks lights but they are the ones having a go at least. If somebody else does a MW tital better I'll go look at that but until then I'm here coz I like it.

[ApolloKaras]

Ireul, on 19 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

I don't know if you remember me, probably not, since my feedback attempt #2 has happened back in closed beta. I am a mechwarrior enthusiast, like probably almost every other MWO player, and had experience with every MW title since MW2.

I used to be a founder at MWO, but two weeks I spent in the closed beta were the most disgusting MW experience of my life. I made a decision to ask for a refund and eject from MWO.

Now I go back to check it again hoping for better... and find the game in exactly the same state I left it. There's like no gameplay at all. Mechlab is disgusting. UI hasn't changed a bit for all those years and still poses a challenge to navigate around.

It's like the only new things around is a number of terribly-looking maps (it is a mystery to me, the owner of a top tier gaming station, and a graphics programmer, how you people managed to make this game look so damn bad, that it almost looks better when I take off my glasses), a few videos and a minimal variety of game modes.

Please tell me what is good about this game. I fail to see any point why should anyone prefer it to other MW titles from last 15 years. Being just an "MW title with multiplayer" isn't going to cut it. I asked people in chat and all I got back was the "don't play MWO"-styled flame, but no answer as to what would be the reason to play MWO. Maybe boards have any?

Feedback attempt #3.... you think after the 3rd attempt you'd realize what feedback meant. Feedback: helpful information or criticism that is given to someone to say what can be done to improve a performance, product, etc.

This is neither helpful or criticism that is helping...

[Nick Makiaveli]

Way to drive off someone who might come back. Pretty sure he isn't around anymore, but JIC and for anyone that is in the same boat.


Assuming all goes well, next month will see the new UI, which has been holding back other innovations. I think June is the target for CW etc.

So basically you came back just a bit early in one sense, but in the other, you could jump in, play some and get back in the swing of things.

Now if you really don't care about the combat aspect, then I don't see this game ever really being your favorite. Even with CW, the primary focus will be mech combat in order to get Loyalty points etc.

[ApolloKaras]

Nick Makiaveli, on 19 January 2014 - 10:08 AM, said:

Way to drive off someone who might come back. Pretty sure he isn't around anymore, but JIC and for anyone that is in the same boat.


Assuming all goes well, next month will see the new UI, which has been holding back other innovations. I think June is the target for CW etc.

So basically you came back just a bit early in one sense, but in the other, you could jump in, play some and get back in the swing of things.

Now if you really don't care about the combat aspect, then I don't see this game ever really being your favorite. Even with CW, the primary focus will be mech combat in order to get Loyalty points etc.

I don think thats quite it. It would be one thing if the approach were different. However doesnt sound like he wants to BE back.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Saxie, on 19 January 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

I don think thats quite it. It would be one thing if the approach were different. However doesnt sound like he wants to BE back.

It's quite possible. After all, if the game turns out to be great, then it would mean he made a mistake in not keeping the Founder's pack etc.

That said, I don't believe negativity on the part of the vets has a place here. This section is here to help new players. Bitching, whining, and all that have their place. It's just not here.

I wish the mods would do more clean up of these threads. Sure the whiners would whine, but then they would reveal themselves as {Surat} for not being able to distinguish between the appropriate time and place and the inappropriate.

[Junkman7mgte]

Nick -- He has a total of 22 posts, yet, is still in "recruit" mode. That implies he hasn't played 25 matches even. That being the case, he never gave the game a chance. Soooo, if he doesn't want to put in a little time, to see if he actually likes it ..... Why ?, Yes ... WHY ... should we coddle him ? Until he has some actual time piloting the mechs, he's nothing but a troll crybabie !

[990Dreams]

In before Jettisoned/K-Town

Well then you can leave. I think the game looks great and as a closed beta participant there is a decent amount of new content (not as much as I had hoped at the time, but still pretty good).

Anyways, if you want good things then the forums is not where to look. If someone is on the forums it is (mostly) cause they are posting about this or that or the other thing.

But if you want good things I'll try to list off some:

• Great community (circumstantially)
  
• A decent amount of Mechs
  
• A good weapon, module, and upgrade selection.
  
• 13ish maps with a variety of environmental variables (still waiting on Jungle/0 grav )
  
• Decent game mechanics (some glitches and a few things could be changed)

Edited by DavidHurricane, 19 January 2014 - 01:21 PM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Junkman7mgte, on 19 January 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

Nick -- He has a total of 22 posts, yet, is still in "recruit" mode. That implies he hasn't played 25 matches even. That being the case, he never gave the game a chance. Soooo, if he doesn't want to put in a little time, to see if he actually likes it ..... Why ?, Yes ... WHY ... should we coddle him ? Until he has some actual time piloting the mechs, he's nothing but a troll crybabie !

Given he's been gone a long time, it could be that he had more than 22 matches prior to them keeping score. I don't believe the early games (ie CB) counted.

Second, I never said coddle, I simply implied that being rude wouldn't help. Imagine this....

A brand new player finds MWO. Tries playing, fails miserably. Heads to the forums, and opens up this thread. Not going to get a good impression is he? Surely not going to know what Recruit means, and then sees negative posts telling the OP to get lost, or lern2play!!! Not likely to help with retention is it?

This section is to help new players. Not discuss the game etc. The OP didn't have much choice in posting here, but he could have read other sections but was apparently too lazy to search and instead wanted it handed to him. So no I don't think it's any great loss if we lose him, but I was more interested in others that may wander in.

To be clear, I doubt the OP would be a great asset to the community, but better to be nice to him (at least on the first page) than risk losing new players.

[Junkman7mgte]

I don't entirely disagree with you Nick. But, his posts come across in a manor that invites the reaction. And, I'll still hold to my "recruit" statement. -- He - HAS NOT - given the game a fair shake. I don't care if he did 1000 matches in closed beta, he came back, and played who knows how many, but, we know under 25, matches, and comes in like a whiney little brat. He stated he "was" a founder, didn't like it, got his money back. He came in -- Jaded -- this time around. That last bit says it all ... he never even tried to give the game a chance, this time around.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

I think it was helpful feedback because everything he said is true. Complaints are a form of helpful and constructive feedback, it's up to the developers to look past any offense to an extent.

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 19 January 2014 - 02:01 PM.

[Void Angel]

BFett, on 19 January 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Do you remember ... ballistic drop off?

Ballistics do drop off.

[Kenyon Burguess]

Ireul, on 19 January 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

Dudes, go to hell, seriously.
How many times do I need to repeat that I'm simply trying to see what's good about MWO?
I'm failing. I'm asking for help. What should I do to get answer? Beg? Bake you a cookie? Lick your balls? Die, trolls.

So far I can't see a single good point in MWO which would put it above at least one other MW title.
It looks good? No, actually, I've seen indie games looking better than MWO. A lot. MWO hurts my eyes.
It has multiplayer? Good gods, it's 2014 and "it has multiplayer" is a best feature you can offer?
It is balanced? Well, maybe - after all, with the lack of gameplay it offers shouldn't be that hard.

The #1 answer so far is "I just like it". Well, tell me why!

this is why forums need IP bans.

[Void Angel]

He's not really here to get the answer he says he wants - his framing of the question precludes it. He wants a subjective answer: "why do you like this game," but subjective answers like "I enjoy playing it," aren't accepted - he just plays the "why" game like a two-year-old. He's precluded any discussion of game development with the erroneous statement that the game is unchanged from closed beta - a silly and empirically untrue thing. If he approached his alleged programming job with the same level of logical fidelity, he'd be debugging till the end of time.

What he seems to really want is to throw a bit of a fit and have a good scream at the developers and fans of a game that failed to live up to his personal, subjective desires - a game which he feels that he himself would have made ever so much better.

It is unfortunate for him that he is inconsequential in the grand scheme of life:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Edited by Void Angel, 19 January 2014 - 02:17 PM.

[PsycoSurgeon]

To answer the topic..simple. ITS FUN. Get a few mates, team up and have a laugh, a few beers and shoot stuff. Whats not to like? Everybody enjoys things in different ways and nobody can tell you what to like and why!

In the end its down to your personal preferences. If you prefer the previous games, go play them. At the end of the day a game is there for your enjoyment...if you don't enjoy it play something else.

P.S. Void Angel...I like that quote, where is it from?

[RG Notch]

Geist Null, on 19 January 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

this is why forums need IP bans.

That's the proper spirit, we need more critical thinking like this to keep this place looking happy and healthy, you should volunteer to be a mod, that's the kind of person they want.

[Arnold J Rimmer]

M4NTiC0R3X, on 19 January 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

I think it was helpful feedback because everything he said is true. Complaints are a form of helpful and constructive feedback, it's up to the developers to look past any offense to an extent.

Which would be true, if his complaints weren't completely subjective and gave no constructive alternatives or improvements to the shortcomings he perceives.

If this were framed in even the slightest bit more of a neutral way, I'd be alright with it being here. However, this is New Player Help, not 'Jaded Alleged Ex-Founder "Feedback"'. Personally, I only answered him the way I did above in the hope that his 'convince me why I should play this' was genuine, rather than some sort of effort-troll.

I guess now I have a post for the other side of the coin too. /shrug

[Nick Makiaveli]

Junkman7mgte, on 19 January 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I don't entirely disagree with you Nick. But, his posts come across in a manor that invites the reaction. And, I'll still hold to my "recruit" statement. -- He - HAS NOT - given the game a fair shake. I don't care if he did 1000 matches in closed beta, he came back, and played who knows how many, but, we know under 25, matches, and comes in like a whiney little brat. He stated he "was" a founder, didn't like it, got his money back. He came in -- Jaded -- this time around. That last bit says it all ... he never even tried to give the game a chance, this time around.

Fair points. On a different day, I would probably say the same thing, but I am trying to calm down after dealing with an actual mouth breather elsewhere so may have overcompensated in trying to not be a douche.

M4NTiC0R3X, on 19 January 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

I think it was helpful feedback because everything he said is true. Complaints are a form of helpful and constructive feedback, it's up to the developers to look past any offense to an extent.

Except this isn't the right part of the forum, and, as Void said, he doesn't appear to be trying to be helpful. Ok and now Arnold has chimed in, so I am going to stop here and I am just beating a dead horse.

[Mycrus]

Ireul, on 19 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

I don't know if you remember me, probably not, since my feedback attempt #2 has happened back in closed beta. I am a mechwarrior enthusiast, like probably almost every other MWO player, and had experience with every MW title since MW2.

I used to be a founder at MWO, but two weeks I spent in the closed beta were the most disgusting MW experience of my life. I made a decision to ask for a refund and eject from MWO.

Now I go back to check it again hoping for better... and find the game in exactly the same state I left it. There's like no gameplay at all. Mechlab is disgusting. UI hasn't changed a bit for all those years and still poses a challenge to navigate around.

It's like the only new things around is a number of terribly-looking maps (it is a mystery to me, the owner of a top tier gaming station, and a graphics programmer, how you people managed to make this game look so damn bad, that it almost looks better when I take off my glasses), a few videos and a minimal variety of game modes.

Please tell me what is good about this game. I fail to see any point why should anyone prefer it to other MW titles from last 15 years. Being just an "MW title with multiplayer" isn't going to cut it. I asked people in chat and all I got back was the "don't play MWO"-styled flame, but no answer as to what would be the reason to play MWO. Maybe boards have any?

Graphics Was Better In Cb

balance was better in Cb

Teamwork was better in Cb

Cheese was limited to the streak cat and the gauss cat... Both were easily identified and focused down from the get go... cheezers were taught painful lessons as their mechs were stripped down to the bone and they had to pay for repairs...

Economy was better in closed beta. ...

Dev interaction was better in closed beta....

Bee happy you did not live through lurmapocalypse

The reign of the raven

Pee pee Cee warrior online

and a spate of munchkin power playerz. ..

What is better with the game now?

Elo stopped the pug stomping

HSR when it bothers to work..

we are that much closer to CW which is still coming soon ™

Moar maps Moar mechs aka content

a few tweaks and fixes more and the game is fairly well balanced

You are lucky that you have your money back... You got nothing to complain about... You didn't live through a lot that we had to put up with...

[Mycrus]

Btw, black screen **** screen and CTd has been largely resolved..

But they added 3pv and consumables...

[BLOOD WOLF]

Ireul, on 19 January 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

I don't know if you remember me, probably not, since my feedback attempt #2 has happened back in closed beta. I am a mechwarrior enthusiast, like probably almost every other MWO player, and had experience with every MW title since MW2.

I used to be a founder at MWO, but two weeks I spent in the closed beta were the most disgusting MW experience of my life. I made a decision to ask for a refund and eject from MWO.

Now I go back to check it again hoping for better... and find the game in exactly the same state I left it. There's like no gameplay at all. Mechlab is disgusting. UI hasn't changed a bit for all those years and still poses a challenge to navigate around.

It's like the only new things around is a number of terribly-looking maps (it is a mystery to me, the owner of a top tier gaming station, and a graphics programmer, how you people managed to make this game look so damn bad, that it almost looks better when I take off my glasses), a few videos and a minimal variety of game modes.

Please tell me what is good about this game. I fail to see any point why should anyone prefer it to other MW titles from last 15 years. Being just an "MW title with multiplayer" isn't going to cut it. I asked people in chat and all I got back was the "don't play MWO"-styled flame, but no answer as to what would be the reason to play MWO. Maybe boards have any?

Why, why,why, why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why,why. It makes no sense why people must be so narrow minded. Yea there are things to still be done but to say that it is in the same state+UI is coming feb 4th and the plans for the rest of the year are gonna be met. where do you guys come from with these rediculous statements

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 20 January 2014 - 03:35 AM.