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[Graywar]

Trauglodyte, on 21 January 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

OK, well looking at the mechs, I can see the following being possible:

Hermes (uber fast non-JJ Spider; comes stock at 151kph)
Javelin (non-JJ missile Spider; see the Oxide)
Hussar (uber fast non-JJ Spider; comes stock at 151kph and designed to be an actual sniper)
Firestarter (energy/ballistic Jenner)
Wolfhound (non-JJ all energy Jenner)

Honestly, the only two that seem controversial there are the Hermes and the Hussar. You could include the Hollander but it doesn't have enough variants. Then again, that might be what makes it controversial.

Actually the Javelin HAS Jumpjets.

Edited by Graywar, 21 January 2014 - 09:13 AM.

[Carrioncrows]

I am hoping for a Javelin or Firestarter.

But it is entirely possible they could give us a Wolfhound.

Sort of a prelude to the clans in keeping with the 'Blood of Kerensky" trilogy.

[Sephlock]

Carrioncrows, on 21 January 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

I am hoping for a Javelin or Firestarter.

But it is entirely possible they could give us a Wolfhound.

Sort of a prelude to the clans in keeping with the 'Blood of Kerensky" trilogy.

Why would they be controversial?

Unless he meant "controversial" in the sense that the mech isn't the Flea...

[LastPaladin]

Ripper X, on 20 January 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

I am betting its an UrbanMech

If they want to grab as much cash as possible... they would do this!

[Carrioncrows]

Sephlock, on 21 January 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

Why would they be controversial?

Unless he meant "controversial" in the sense that the mech isn't the Flea...

30 ton pure missile (4-6 missile hardpoints) jumping light.

Firestarter would on it's prime model have a minimum of 6 energy hardpoints and 2 ballistic with jumpjets.

Say what you want but LB10-X and x6 small lasers with jumpjets has appeal.

[Sephlock]

Carrioncrows, on 21 January 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

30 ton pure missile (4-6 missile hardpoints) jumping light.

Firestarter would on it's prime model have a minimum of 6 energy hardpoints and 2 ballistic with jumpjets.

Say what you want but LB10-X and x6 small lasers with jumpjets has appeal.

Will you be able to maintain a decent speed with all of that weight?

http://www.youtube.c...?v=RnZ1MN16Yvw‎

Edited by Sephlock, 21 January 2014 - 09:29 AM.

[Carrioncrows]

Sephlock, on 21 January 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

Will you be able to maintain a decent speed with all of that weight?

http://www.youtube.c...?v=RnZ1MN16Yvw‎

Speed is over rated.

Unless your objective is running down other lights or fighting in the open then you do not need much more than a 100 kph.

Right now I have a Spider-5K with an AC2 (oh yeah) x4 tons of ammo, x3 machine guns (x1 ton of ammo) and a medium laser that absolutely wrecks things, getting 400-500 dmg a match as well as a few kills.

I also run a Cicada with LB10-X (x3 tons of ammo) and quad mediums that does the same thing.

Speed is an illusion.

There is very few situations where speed trumps having a bigger gun. Personally, I like the bigger gun.

[NRP]

Carrioncrows, on 21 January 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

Speed is an illusion.

There is very few situations where speed trumps having a bigger gun. Personally, I like the bigger gun.

Interesting observation, especially in light of the seemingly popular opinion that the Clan lights will be DOA because they are so slow despite being well armed. I guess we will see.

[Sephlock]

NRP, on 21 January 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Interesting observation, especially in light of the seemingly popular opinion that the Clan lights will be DOA because they are so slow despite being well armed. I guess we will see.

Never underestimate the power of the ability to run the **** away.

[Trauglodyte]

Carrioncrows, on 21 January 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

Speed is over rated.

Unless your objective is running down other lights or fighting in the open then you do not need much more than a 100 kph.

Right now I have a Spider-5K with an AC2 (oh yeah) x4 tons of ammo, x3 machine guns (x1 ton of ammo) and a medium laser that absolutely wrecks things, getting 400-500 dmg a match as well as a few kills.

I also run a Cicada with LB10-X (x3 tons of ammo) and quad mediums that does the same thing.

Speed is an illusion.

There is very few situations where speed trumps having a bigger gun. Personally, I like the bigger gun.

I've run the Splatcada (LB10x) on the 3M and 3C. Hell, I've run a dual Guasscada before and even tried out a quad AC2 Cada and a 5 Lrg Laser bug. Never under estimate the beauty and fear caused by heavy fire power. That being said, there is a point of negative return where you sacrifice too much speed/armor for weaponry. Its all about finding that soft spot and knowing that you've got teammates that aren't going to let you twist in the wind.

[AaronWolf]

Sephlock, on 21 January 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Never underestimate the power of the ability to run the **** away.

Edit: BTW, I still want my Raven Hero gosh darnit.

Edited by AaronWolf, 21 January 2014 - 10:13 AM.

[Davers]

Most of the available mechs aren't really controversial. Maybe the Firestarter with it's flamer loadout (which everyone will immediately change).

[Sereglach]

I would absolutely LOVE to see a Firestarter. I do see it as potentially being controversial for multiple reasons.
-All variants have JJ.
-LOTS of hardpoints on a base level (basic variant would have 6 Energy and 2 ballistic)
-Variants are available that are pure energy, ballistic, and missile capable.
-Variants are available with ECM at this time (BIG CONTROVERSY right there! JJ+ECM+Lots of base hardpoints . . . Jenner and Raven watch out)
-Engines could be limited to only hit speeds akin to RVN-2X/4X? Rage over not going 150kph could certainly come from lots of people.

Another huge controversy for any selected mech could be if they alter the base builds from lore in order to implement balance. However I don't see that being the case. There will be some other reason for controversy . . . whether it is a hardpoint issue, or something similar.

[Mc JR]

guys he did not conform it was a light. Phil asked if it was and he said he dose not have premonition to say if it was or not.

[Sychodemus]

What's so controversial (disregarding the three HG/Macross + Falcon) is that there really are no chassis left with 3 diverse canon variants. This was pointed out at the beginning when Mech efficiencies were introduced.

But, they can create new non-canon variants, new non-canon chassis or release a single variant chassis with "special exemption."

That or they make Savannah Masters.

[BarHaid]

All right, I'm gonna have to say it.

OSTSCOUT

Humanoid-ish, controversial (weapons? who needs 'em!), and apparently not unseen anymore.

[Jody Von Jedi]

It's the Mauler. Released in 3048, but not seen until 3050 (current time line). I know it's a Harmony Gold mech, but hey, Russ did say it would be controversial.

Just kidding.

The Hermes fits the profile, 30 tons, lightly armored. It would eventually have MASC too.

Jody

[Utilyan]

Mc JR, on 21 January 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

guys he did not conform it was a light. Phil asked if it was and he said he dose not have premonition to say if it was or not.

The speculation its a light comes from Bryan who said its a LIGHT, its HUMANOID, and its CONTRAVERSIAL. He said he was actually looking at it already modeled.


What Russ said its a light, its not the panther, it hasn't been announced, and he wasn't sure its controversial.


Finally the Ask the dev videos say they not making unseens for a while which could rule out stinger/wasp.

If they are consistent they fill out weight sub classes.

For example we got:

2 - 35 ton mechs Jenner, Raven
1 - 30 ton spider
1 - 25 ton commando
1 - 20 ton locust


It would be odd to hit 3 - 35 tonners skipping the other sub weight classes.


The 4 I would look out for is URBANMECH and FIRE MOTH (Dasher) a Clanner CommandoIIC and Hermes. These would be controversial. Urbanmech cause he's urbanmech, clanner mechs cause they are clanners, hermes cause his flamer is not fusion but napalm and its medium lasers have targeting lasers ?

If its not those 4 i'd bet on PANTHER (even tho "its not the panther") and Firestarter could be controversial in that I doubt most folks would take flamers with them (should have flamer hard points that restrict to only flamers).


Here's a list of lights : http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Light_mech not all are 3050 on the list.

Some other possibilities Jackrabbit and mongoose (mongoose might be chicken leg?)

Edited by Utilyan, 21 January 2014 - 10:56 AM.

[tucsonspeed6]

Controversial is really in the eye of the beholder. I think when Brian first brought it up, he mentioned it might be considered controversial, not that it strictly was. The fact that Russ had no idea what they were talking about kind of supports that. Brian could have been referring to one of a hundred different things: maybe he foresaw it bring perceived as OP or DOA (probably the latter considering how effective the Jenner is currently. It's the standard that all lights must live up to.) the controversy might be the hero mech itself, it could have an apocryphal variant, it could be out of timeline, or maybe they fudged the details on the stock engine size. I remember the Yen Lo Wang was kind of controversial in that it couldn't use its claws like its namesake. The whole 'controversial' thing is a red herring. I could come up with a case for any light being controversial at this point.

[Bront]

Controvertial options:
1) Urbanmech - Super slow, and needs an engine fix to work according to lore.
2) Wolfhound - Would have to make up more variants, as the 3 official ones are very, very similar (1 swaps a rear ML for a front ML, one drops an ML for an HS. Go variety!)
3) An ECM mech of some kind (Could also coincide with any other options)
4) A mech with a controvertial layout of mix of weapons/gear (Firestarter with flamers, or missile small with JJs and speed, ECM with something new, etc).
5) A 20 ton mech (I mean, look at the Locust)
6) A made up mech that happens to have the same loadouts as an unseen (or several unseen, think a Stinger/Wasp/Valkyrie combo)
7) A light with a large ballistic in it's core config.
8) A slow light (low engine cap)
9) Something else I somehow haven't covered.