RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
haha take a breath guy.
I already admitted I was wrong about how PGI does not consider macros cheating. After iceserpent linked me the code of conduct, and i clicked on the hidden spoiler link i never noticed before....lmao Almost like PGI was ashamed they had to add it
Scroll up and learn to read please. You are doing exactly what you are trying to accuse me of....
Me? Scroll up and learn to read? You admitted that macro's aren't cheating and I missed that? Why, how fooli ... wait a minute
Nightfire, on 09 February 2014 - 02:18 AM, said:
Shown to be wrong. Instead of taking responsibility for incorrect assumption (and assertion of said assumption on others and the resulting false allegations of cheating levied) blames PGI for not making this more obvious and trying to hide it.
Note, no apology is ever issued.
... [your position of]
- Macros aren't cheating but it's unfair to use them. PGI doesn't show everyone how to use them (despite not directly supporting them). Did it ever occur to you that PGI used spoilers to make a long post smaller allowing people to more easily skip over sections that they were not interested in? Or is it still malice on the part of PGI?
Hey! I actually did acknowledge that! Wow! I must have gone back in time and corrected what I really said to make you look foolish!
That or, wait for this, I'm not the one who needs to learn how to read!?
Point to note for the audience for when I get time to do my post on RichAC and his construction of threat narratives to further his arguments in place of actual facts: This is called redirection. He has quoted part of what I've said out of context, attributed to it a meaning other than what I was arguing (this is also a Straw man fallacy for those counting the fallacies used) and then attempts to portray himself as the innocent, misunderstood victim. The victimhood is the important part here!
Note for those waiting on the post regarding RichAC's arguing style: Note he has used the redirection to completely avoid addressing the issue of my claim that he never takes responsibility for his arguments. He shifted blame for not knowing about PGI's position on macros onto PGI hiding this information in a spoiler. He never issued an apology to those he accused of cheating for using macros. He also never backed his claim for calling me "scum of the earth" or apologised for it. Instead he redirects the argument by responding to something completely different from the intent and adding victimhood.
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
I talk about the sync droppers and macro users in general, I never try to discredit anyone personally.
Seriously!? You can honestly say that about your behaviour in this thread without any sarcasm or irony!? You have thrown many accusations about and I can think of multiple quotes for three people up you have libeled off the top of my head! I particularly thought the slur against Joseph's family was way out of line!
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
If you are not for fair play, fine....thats made clear now.
This, spectators, is a dual attack. Though there is no basis for this claim he has made it as fact. This is a shaming tactic designed to silence and pull me into line (How can I argue against him? If argues for fair play and I am against his positions, I MUST be against fair play!) and an attack on my character.
There is nothing supporting this claim other than pure malice. Oh! Also add in a touch of splitting.
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
If you have no ideas how to make the game better....move on.
Well, let's see.
- I do have my own ideas and I have mentioned them in the past.
- I am actually enjoying breaking down the tactics and poor behaviour of verbal(? written?) bullies such as yourself who have more venom than substance. Perhaps you will learn from this and be constructive, perhaps you will give up after I shine the light upon your behaviour for too long or perhaps the mods will finally see what you are actually doing once I break it down enough and ban you. Any of these outcomes are good for me.
- Move on? Well since you haven't, you aren't a mod, I haven't actually said anything untrue and I am arguing the points you set forward, I believe I have my right to free speech. Make me!
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
If i'm a troll, your in another league of trolls.
You're right about one thing, I am in another league but that is about as much truth as you managed in that statement.
As I said before; I don't think you are a troll, you're much more frightening! I think you actually believe the world is against you!
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
I was explaining how other games, like rift, add a macro option right in the game menu, to make things more fair for the majority of people who don't own macro devices.... whic iceserpent didn't know existed. You don't have to own any special hardware to use them.
That might be what you think you were arguing but I broke it down for you before and I will do so again. Those game are built on engines that run on command lines. That RUN on macros! It is as core to how they function as drawing pixels on the screen! They do NOT add macro functions, they allow players to access macro functions that already exist! The effort involved in allowing players to access something that is already there is minimal!
This function simply (to my knowledge. Any Dev feel free to correct me, have you actually built in LUA language interpreter that you don't allow us access to!?) doesn't exist in the Cryengine. It was never designed for MMos. So given that, your argument is that because 3rd party devices exist that allow macro functions, PGI should either ban them all outright or invest heavily in creating a complex macro support system because to do otherwise is ... unfair?
Your fairness argument amounts to ... I want PGI to spend a very large amount of money and resources so I don't have to spend a
comparatively (note this word, it is important) small amount of money on a 3rd party product that they already have no objection to and gives you the functionality you desire.
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
Contrary to what people like you and iceserpent believe
Welcome to the club Ice Serpent! Jospeh and I welcome you!
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
.....most people don't own this special hardware, or even know how to use them properly if they do...
But they are free to purchase said hardware if they wish and they are free to learn. Some software that performs the functions you argue for is even free! It just isn't in game. If you are inclined to explore those avenues, you will. If not, you won't. That may be unfair to you but it is the reality of life.
Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
But you have demonstrated yourself a Marxist early on.
RichAC, on 11 February 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
The fact you would troll me about this or be against it, is suspicious.
Again spectators, note the shaming tactic here. It implies, rather than directly states, that his position is the correct and only position and that my opposition to his points must therefore be trolling. The omitted points are that I cannot be arguing against him because he is deceitful, argues in bad faith, is outright wrong on some points or that I even have a difference of opinion. The last part, the claim of suspicion, is to lead to you an inference of nefarious intent on my part.
Edit: I forgot to actually address RichAC's last point!
I am not against (but since I'm not actively promoting it, you'll claim I'm against you) PGI implementing some macro system if they wish to. I just don't see the need or value in such a macro system greater than the many other issues that plague this game. Additionally, the only real need for such a system that gives significant advantages in performance is driven largely by the poor mechanics PGI themselves implemented (ie: Ghost Heat).
- Hit registration, which is a fundamental core mechanic of this game, is still broken in many areas!
- The lack of systems like Repair and Rearm that helped drain the economy, balance weapon systems and removed a large portion of the need for clunky and poor mechanisms such as ghost heat.
- Poor and hap hazard weapon balancing that also seems to be used as a means to promote the viability of the latest hero mech for sale.
- The inability to drop with more than 4 friends that was promised to be returned to us over a year ago.
All of these are points far more worthy of attention than macros especially when, in my opinion, the free market already provides alternative options for implementing them.
Coming soon (when I can muster the effort): RichAC's construction of a threat narrative!
Edited by Nightfire, 12 February 2014 - 01:35 AM.