Sandpit, on 27 January 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:
In other words, you couldn't find where it happened because it didn't
That's how the MM works now. A premade on one side means a premade on the other so you SHOULD be good with it. I should know all of this already? No, YOU should know all of this. You claimed they did something and they didn't. You made the claim, I just called BS on it because it's never been done that way.
You don't see why those of us who enjoy the company of our teammates in our units and that's why we drop premades? So we can actually play with people we enjoy playing with? As opposed to playing with dbags that we don't care for? You don't see the social aspect of that? Because up until this point you've done nothing but talk about how premades are evil and are elitist snobs.
I'm sorry you ahve such a poor opinion of people who want nothing more than to kick back and shoot the sh*t while they ploay with like-minded individuals and take a little pride in their units. That's not a reason to blame them for stomps though
Are you serious?
1. When the MM matches the same size pre--mades against each other and then balances out the teams I indeed have no issue with it. However, the MM often does not and the team with the larger pre-made often wins easily.
2. The elo system does not differentiate between a player puging or on a pre-made other then to avg their elo when in the pre-made. This creates an inflated elo score for pre-made players that throws off the MM when they pug.
3. Pre-mades have at various time throughout the history of this game been restricted in various ways in an attempt to stop the rolls that pgi says happen due to the inherent advantages they have. At times pre-mades have been forced into all sorts of size restrictions.
4. You're putting words into my mouth that I did not say. I don't mind pre-mades. I simply don't think that they should be in game with pugs on a normal basis.
5. Pre-mades in and of themselves are not evil. They do throw off the elo and MM system when combined with pugs. They also do have an huge advantage. And many pre-made players do come on the forums and act very very condescending towards pug players.
6. I enjoy how you tell me that due to my apparent hatred for pre-mades my you're disregarding my opinion and then make obviously bigoted comments like this "As opposed to playing with dbags that we don't care for?".
I do not hate pre-made players. I have been on and ran many clans/guilds. I also recognize that they are an important part of almost any game. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for most pre-made players who post on the forums. Most will make comments about pugs sucking and needing to get better or die etc.
The majority of players will always be pugs in any and all games. I wish we could get the stats but I would bet that in this game at any given time of the day the majority of players in game are puging.
So my standpoint is that you take care of the pugs and they will natural trend towards grouping up if you have a good clan system.
This game does neither.
Solution.
Separate queues:
Pugs only. (new players default here.)
Pre-made and pug. (Pugs can choose to join this queue.) Extra credits and xp as incentive.
Matchmaker adjustments.
Games played.
Weight limits.
Lobby Lobby Lobby.
An actual community warfare.
And the most important to me is that they need a tournament system for both individual and clans. Then they need to run it constantly and blast the results and streams on the front page of the website and the in game UI.
They need a game ticker etc.
A new player should be inundated with this games players and teams like they are watching espn or some other sports news show. A player should be able to have favorite teams and players to root for etc.That would begin to create a good atmosphere that would promote growth and allow the separate queues we need.
Pugs could then play just for fun and emulate their favorite pro players etc. Good players would trickle up and become known and the others would watch and cheer.