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[Zyllos]

I say get rid of champion mechs also, but for a different point of view.

It is so PGI can implement hardpoint sizes for Battlemechs.

[Deathlike]

Jade Kitsune, on 04 February 2014 - 08:18 PM, said:

Private matches are "comming".tm

That being said, I don't feel it would be crucial for the new player's to have private matches... but a seperate Trial mech only que would do WONDERS to aleviating the frustration of the NPE.

Stormtempter, on 04 February 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

I feel your pain, but having them in champions is better than naught.

A gradual easing into the pool at the shallow end, expanded tutorials and other help would be fantastic, but as its been years since the game started and there is only one tutorial, I wouldn't hold my breath for expanded help in that.

We're stuck with PGI throwing them into the deep end with us saying 'SWIM SUCKER' and the rest of us helpless to keep them from drowning.

Tutorials... the thing that this game should have had from the start. This is the key stabilizer for improving newbie retention AND inform them how the game works (some people that play this game still don't even know the basics).

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Sandpit, on 04 February 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Aren't you just a ball of sunshine

sense tingling

I'll give you a more "robust" response when this thread gets where it belongs

You waste more time and space posting nothing than being a productive member of the society. It's amazing.

One thing I think PGI could do is differentiate the difference between the champion mechs and the trial mechs. I understand the OPs frustration (though I don't agree with the views) and think there could be a slightly better way of delineating trial mechs from mechs people purchase and ride. Champion and Hero mechs are gateways from playing through and amassing cbills and there is an argument to be made that people who hop into those mechs are less skilled players. However, ELO should hopefully help that. The frustrating thing is finding up to 4 champion (trial mechs?) in a single match when it's very clear the other team has 0.

[Sandpit]

Daisu Saikoro, on 04 February 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

You waste more time and space posting nothing than being a productive member of the society. It's amazing.

One thing I think PGI could do is differentiate the difference between the champion mechs and the trial mechs. I understand the OPs frustration (though I don't agree with the views) and think there could be a slightly better way of delineating trial mechs from mechs people purchase and ride. Champion and Hero mechs are gateways from playing through and amassing cbills and there is an argument to be made that people who hop into those mechs are less skilled players. However, ELO should hopefully help that. The frustrating thing is finding up to 4 champion (trial mechs?) in a single match when it's very clear the other team has 0.

yessir

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

Are you in one of those Champion mechs too? I'm sick and tired of getting stomped 12-1 just because so called "Champs" got wasted ASAP without doing even close to 100 damage (in an assault no less).

Don't worry about Sandpit. I get the strong sense he believes by being snarky and keeping his daily post count in the averages of 15+, eevn when posting or saying nothing of relevance, somehow makes him... I don't know, special? Significant? He's helping to save the world one post at a time (guffaw).

Where as other people have come along, identified where your frustration is and is trying to have a meaningful conversation about it. The problem isn't even so much for the people who have played awhile (we'll get over it) but new users that may be scared away because they're thrown into situations they just can't handle (running highlanders and moving in circles, jumping in spiders/cicadas and just zooming into the team). It's so frustrating when one of those pilots disconnects immediately and doesn't pay attention to how others are playing but why should they?

Edited by Daisu Saikoro, 04 February 2014 - 10:49 PM.

[Sandpit]

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

PGI, just do us a favour, get rid of the MW license, get someone else to take over and do it justice.

Just buying MCs and buying so called champ mechs don't teach new players anything. If at all it dumbs down the game - you don't learn what the chassis role is, the nuances, its weapon configs, equipment configs, engine configs etc, what works well and what doesn't and how does it all fit in on how you can best play the game without sucking hard.

Just sick and tired seeing © mechs in the game, essentially there as "handicap" so that if you have 4 ©s, it's almost like hard mode - handicap minus 4 mechs in the match and if they're in assault ©s, well it's even
worse.

So do us all a favour, go thru the grind, learn the basics, build your mech from zip like the rest of us, and most of all, ignore the weekly/daily sales and don't feed the machine.

yes because this is reasonable constructive conversation.

give it a rest guys

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Sandpit, on 04 February 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

yes because this is reasonable constructive conversation.

give it a rest guys

Like the boyfriend that doesn't give something up, and brings up something a girlfriend initially sad as opposed to how opinions and attitudes were changed over the course of a conversation it takes real ignorance to use such items as a basis of ones argument.

The OP even later stated his intent and frustrations and that he had a change of understanding after people presented that the issues seen weren't because of just champion mechs but because of the process of mirroring champion mechs as trials. Plus in further ignorance, it takes real pomposity to ignore the other constructive comments that stemmed from the original post from people who didn't agree with the initial statements.

Sandpit, I think we all get it. From your self aggrandizing posts (like the YUP thread where you defy your very own first rule) you want attention, you treat this as if you're doing something important, you think you're some how above others because you practice the art of privately issuing snark from behind a computer screen but sometimes... just sometimes you just don't have to.

Anyway, now you've got me wasting time. Think of what you could do with all the time you waste on here... like maybe changing the world.

Good luck to you and thanks for adding nothing.

[Sandpit]

Daisu Saikoro, on 04 February 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

Sandpit, I think we all get it. From your self aggrandizing posts (like the YUP thread where you defy your very own first rule) you want attention,

you treat this as if you're doing something important,

You read it???? I'm honored It's always nice to meet a fan.

As opposed to the guy who posts nothing but snark cleverly hidden in an articulate "discussion"?

[NextGame]

The stalker was a bad idea to give to newbies as a trial because of the XL in it. I forsee a *lot* of dead stalker champions in the weeks to come. Especially in a month where we are getting a very strong light that will eat them for breakfast.

Other than that, some you win, some you lose, no point shedding tears of rage over it as *you* are the primary variable in your own success or failure, especially as the other team will doubtless also be jam packed with those trial stalkers.

Edited by NextGame, 05 February 2014 - 01:52 AM.

[Tahribator]

I agree. Having 2-3 Champions in your team usually means insta-lose. What are these guys doing in higher Elo matches?

Just let champion mechs only play against other champions. Sort of like the "Bronze League" of MWO. Don't mix them up with higher Elo until they play 25 matches and buy their first mech.

[Kaldor]

I dont if they have champ mechs. Its your money.

Let me say this though. The heat system in this game is SO bad, that the stock built mechs, that function fine in Battletech as built, are complete trash in MWO due to the piss poor dissipation rates we have. Talk about a bad first impression for new players.

[Mechteric]

I'd rather the Champs give a 10% CBill bonus, instead of XP bonus. Also they should have a discounted MC price.

[Priest4357]

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

In most matches I've had where there are Champion Mechs, it results in 80-90% losses most of the time. One in a Champion HIghlander even got wasted within 2 seconds of the game starting.

Okay Happy, let's cut this one now. The only way this could happen is if every team/lance mate this person had turned on him and alpha'd at the start of the match. So, instead of sensationalizing it, why don't you actually use real facts?

Also, the Champion mechs are mostly used as trial mechs. These are a head and shoulders above the original trial mechs that were in the game.

If you are going to complain, then make sure your facts are straight so we don't spend more time laughing than trying to solve the issue.

In closing: If you don't like them, don't buy them. What's so hard about that? This isn't rocket science Bill Nye.

[R Razor]

PGI please get rid of Founders Mechs..........most of the people that run them are clueless and I am tired of seeing them die in the first 2 or 3 minutes of a match. They feel as though because they were suckered out of a sum of money in the beginning they are somehow better players and don't need team support to win a match. It's a blatant cash grab from the past and it needs to stop!!!!

[BillyM]

Tahribator, on 05 February 2014 - 02:36 AM, said:

I agree. Having 2-3 Champions in your team usually means insta-lose. What are these guys doing in higher Elo matches?

Just let champion mechs only play against other champions. Sort of like the "Bronze League" of MWO. Don't mix them up with higher Elo until they play 25 matches and buy their first mech.

...sometimes they're high-elo players looking for a bit of a challenge beyond the HGN/CTF/PPC/JJ/Arty meta.

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

Just sick and tired seeing © mechs in the game, essentially there as "handicap" so that if you have 4 ©s, it's almost like hard mode - handicap minus 4 mechs in the match and if they're in assault ©s, well it's even
worse.

So do us all a favour, go thru the grind, learn the basics, build your mech from zip like the rest of us, and most of all, ignore the weekly/daily sales and don't feed the machine.

No Basics? No Modules? Handicap? Pff....

Cicada - 540 - 7/5
Cicada - 605 - 6/5
Cicada - 610 - 6/1

Trials baby...

--billyM

Edited by BillyM, 05 February 2014 - 08:23 AM.

[Priest4357]

Daisu Saikoro, on 04 February 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

Like the boyfriend that doesn't give something up, and brings up something a girlfriend initially sad as opposed to how opinions and attitudes were changed over the course of a conversation it takes real ignorance to use such items as a basis of ones argument.

The OP even later stated his intent and frustrations and that he had a change of understanding after people presented that the issues seen weren't because of just champion mechs but because of the process of mirroring champion mechs as trials. Plus in further ignorance, it takes real pomposity to ignore the other constructive comments that stemmed from the original post from people who didn't agree with the initial statements.

Keep in mind, not everyone waits till they have read the entire thread before posting. I posted based off the OP first post. I thought his post was drivel, poorly thought out, full of mis-information, no real facts. In fact the only thing that came from it to me, is he was mad because he supposedly bought a "Champion" mech, and it wasn't all he had dreamt it would be. Therefore he came to whine and moan about it.

Frankly, a good snarky reply was in order, and Sandpit got to it first.

The fact that the OP actually got around to something resembling an intelligent coversation much later in the thread, is the fault of the OP for not engaging his brain the first time around. Therefore, even though a potentially useful conversation come of this, the start was poorly designed, and executed. Most people wouldn't have bothered reading further, hence the thread did not serve a purpose.

Game, Set, Match - Sandpit!

[Joseph Mallan]

Hero Mechs are more for collectors than anything else. I have bought a few. And I have also sold them all once I go bored with em.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 05 February 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Deathlike, on 04 February 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Tutorials... the thing that this game should have had from the start. This is the key stabilizer for improving newbie retention AND inform them how the game works (some people that play this game still don't even know the basics).

There are Tutorials and they cover many aspects of the game play. Just because folks never watch them does not mean they are not their ffs.

Here we Go! http://mwomercs.com/...raining-grounds

Not to your Liking these? Does not show those Basics that a new player needs to know? What is missing?

This place is a joke. Complain about shat for the sake of complaining ffs.

[Almond Brown]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 February 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Hero Mechs are more for collectors than anything else. I have bought a few. And I have also sold them all once I go bored with em.

When a Champ comes up for Sale and you BUY it, can't you Mod it anyways you want? The OP seems to be bitching about Champs players BUY? Or is he actually talking about Trial Mechs?

P.S. Not that I give a guinea...

[MustrumRidcully]

Not having the Trial mechs as "Champion Mechs" isn't a real solution. The problem is mixing the general population full of optimizers or at least half-way competent players with newbies that might still be trying to figure out why they have no mini-map or what the range of medium lasers is.

It's not like it's a new problem for PvP games. I suppose somewhere, some company, has found a reasonable approach for it.