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[lsp]

Now that it's on sale, and I won't be spending thirty bucks on some non existent interweb robot, I'm considering buying one. My question is, is it worth it? First of all I will say I have a 3D, and I hate it. I play it as a poptart 2ppc+2ac5, everything the 3D does my VTR-9S does better. With that out of the way, I was interested in building the Ilya with triple ultras + a ppc or erppc xl265.

My favorite heavy is my JM6-S with triple ultras, so having the extra five tons on the Ilya to run the same build might be nice(have to expose the whole mech in the phract though). One of my worries is that I'm going to buy a mech that is useless outside of pug matches. Why take a Ilya when you can 3D or VTR-9S, or a JM6-S with triple ultras as direct fire support.

Decided to buy it, meh.

Edited by lsp, 08 February 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[LauLiao]

It sounds like you already have your mind made up NOT to buy. I don't think there's really anything I can tell you to convince you to buy an Ilya. I own one and have a lot of fun, but if Phracts don't fit your play style, the Ilya isn't so radically different that it will transform you into a 'Phract fan.

[DONTOR]

The main reason I like it is because its the onyl mech in game that does 3 LBX, 3 AC10, and 3 Guass. I use them all and love each build for different reasons.

[NRP]

I say go for it. Two reasons:

3 UAC/5s+3 MLs

3 AC/10s

These builds are pretty much the definition of "direct fire support".

[lsp]

NRP, on 07 February 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

I say go for it. Two reasons:

3 UAC/5s+3 MLs

3 AC/10s

These builds are pretty much the definition of "direct fire support".

Yeah but in order to do it the phract has to expose it's entire body, versus a Jager that only exposes its arms.

[Josef Nader]

My marmoset.

It and the 4x are the only 'phracts I like.

[DONTOR]

lsp, on 07 February 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Yeah but in order to do it the phract has to expose it's entire body, versus a Jager that only exposes its arms.

yeah except a jaeger cant 3XAC10s...

[Maverick27]

lsp, on 07 February 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

I was interested in building the Ilya with triple ultras + a ppc or erppc xl265

The Ilya with 3 UAC is a solid build with the phract because you can still load max armor, 3xML, AMS and BAP if you want it. But, honestly, like you said, given the need to expose your whole body in a Phract, I prefer to use the mech as a true brawler with a STD engine, trip AC5s and trip MLs.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9b8137c683b241e

[SgtMagor]

kept the stock weapons, changed a couple of things. Hope I can make good use of this sweet mech.

endosteel
DHS
AMS
1ton-Ac10 added

[Bishop Steiner]

ILYA MURDERMETZ

Because you use it in different roles than the Jager or other mechs. Poptarts are a bad joke, and anyone who needs more mental stimulation than just mashing a button on their mouse SHOULD hate the 3D. I use mine as a mobile hunter, using that massive 340XL to move at 86 kph, and easily flanking and killing any opposing medium or heavies on the map. The BoomJager has a harder alpha, no doubt, but is even flimsier than the Ilya and a lot slower.

Is it for every one? No. TBH it sound like you aren't really an Ilya type, so I would say even at 50% off, you won't be happy. I'd recommend finding something that adheres to your already defined play style more closely.

[Maverick27]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 February 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

ILYA MURDERMETZ

Because you use it in different roles than the Jager or other mechs. Poptarts are a bad joke, and anyone who needs more mental stimulation than just mashing a button on their mouse SHOULD hate the 3D. I use mine as a mobile hunter, using that massive 340XL to move at 86 kph, and easily flanking and killing any opposing medium or heavies on the map. The BoomJager has a harder alpha, no doubt, but is even flimsier than the Ilya and a lot slower.

Is it for every one? No. TBH it sound like you aren't really an Ilya type, so I would say even at 50% off, you won't be happy. I'd recommend finding something that adheres to your already defined play style more closely.

That's one fast Ilya

[Bishop Steiner]

Maverick27, on 07 February 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

That's one fast Ilya

Fast, fun, and admittedly, a little situational.

But it has netted me a half dozen 1000 pt matches, and is running a decent 2.48 KDr without having a Comp 12man crew to prop my stats up with (PUGing is stat hell, as you can't rely on anyone to have your back and cover your weaknesses, and I have only comp dropped in it maybe 20 times), along with a respectable average damage score of 391 per game. TBH, when I have broken down most peoples average damage on a chassis, it tends to be waaaaaay lower than people expect. I think we are prone to remember our good matches and kinda forget when we get stomped or something.

I don't claim to be a "LEET" by any stretch of the imagination, just a PUG with an attitude, but I do believe I am usually more useful to my teams than a hinderance.

[lsp]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 February 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

ILYA MURDERMETZ

Because you use it in different roles than the Jager or other mechs. Poptarts are a bad joke, and anyone who needs more mental stimulation than just mashing a button on their mouse SHOULD hate the 3D. I use mine as a mobile hunter, using that massive 340XL to move at 86 kph, and easily flanking and killing any opposing medium or heavies on the map. The BoomJager has a harder alpha, no doubt, but is even flimsier than the Ilya and a lot slower.

Is it for every one? No. TBH it sound like you aren't really an Ilya type, so I would say even at 50% off, you won't be happy. I'd recommend finding something that adheres to your already defined play style more closely.

That's a waste of tonnage in a twelve man. So far I haven't been convinced that the Ilya is worth anything outside of pug games. Unless you play in a match that has JJ restrictions, even still, JM6-S. Your last two sentences are probably true.

[Bishop Steiner]

lsp, on 07 February 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

That's a waste of tonnage in a twelve man. So far I haven't been convinced that the Ilya is worth anything outside of pug games. Unless you play in a match that has JJ restrictions, even still, JM6-S. Your last two sentences are probably true.

Yup. Of course you might discover that there is life beyond 12 mans, meta and poptarts, but that is entirely dependant on what you play the game for. PUGing is a far better test of individual skill, IMO, whereas 12man is far better test of coordination, communication and tactics. The difference between a Warrior, and a Soldier, per se.

And PUGing, I tend to find strict Meta builds still only work well if you are dropping with a 4 man or a sync. So yeah, for you, I would say skip the Ilya. It's all kinds of fun for filthy casuals like me, but it would probably be a viewed as a stigmata among your Skye Ranger pals to learn you had it in your garage.

(though wasted tonnage in 12 man does depend to a degree on the pilot. I got my kills on in most of those 12 matches, even though I had to bide my time a little more than all the cute little pogostick mechs. Only was a waste on a rollover, in which case, one more metalemming build would not have mattered anyhow. But to each their own.)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 February 2014 - 04:00 PM.

[Yiazmat]

The Yiazmets *rim shot*

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9a8a0d5ec6286c4

I scrap so many people in this thing It's not even funny. Just protect your right side, as your ac/20 is the bread and butter here. nobody expects when they're being plinked with 2's that there's a follow-up 20 behind it. the dps it pours out cores assault mechs out in seconds. also remember to be conservative with the med lasers. this mech is hot and those lasers are for pure back up, backstabbing, and occasional ridge shots.

[SweetJackal]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 February 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

ILYA MURDERMETZ

Because you use it in different roles than the Jager or other mechs. Poptarts are a bad joke, and anyone who needs more mental stimulation than just mashing a button on their mouse SHOULD hate the 3D. I use mine as a mobile hunter, using that massive 340XL to move at 86 kph, and easily flanking and killing any opposing medium or heavies on the map. The BoomJager has a harder alpha, no doubt, but is even flimsier than the Ilya and a lot slower.

Is it for every one? No. TBH it sound like you aren't really an Ilya type, so I would say even at 50% off, you won't be happy. I'd recommend finding something that adheres to your already defined play style more closely.

Technically you could run a build in that style on the 3D with the option of Jumpjets. The risk there is loading your one side with your heavy firepower and favoring Arm Lock cause of the Arm/Torso split but losing a ST is death anyways.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yiazmat, on 07 February 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

The Yiazmets *rim shot*

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9a8a0d5ec6286c4

I scrap so many people in this thing It's not even funny. Just protect your right side, as your ac/20 is the bread and butter here. nobody expects when they're being plinked with 2's that there's a follow-up 20 behind it. the dps it pours out cores assault mechs out in seconds. also remember to be conservative with the med lasers. this mech is hot and those lasers are for pure back up, backstabbing, and occasional ridge shots.

did this with a Gauss back in the day....worked prety good!
standard engine
ILYA MUROMETS
xl
ILYA MUROMETS
was my build for the first month or so the Ilya was out. Then I discovered dual ac10 heaven.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 February 2014 - 07:20 PM.

[Yiazmat]

I have three problems with Gauss and this build: the charge, it's hp/pop dmg, and tonnage. it would however make nice on the heat levels though. but 76 damage in 4 seconds with the Yiazmets is just NOM NOM NOM.


in before ac2 spread critics: I'm a decent shot, so it doesn't bother me.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yiazmat, on 07 February 2014 - 07:23 PM, said:

I have three problems with Gauss and this build: the charge, it's hp/pop dmg, and tonnage. it would however make nice on the heat levels though. but 76 damage in 4 seconds with the Yiazmets is just NOM NOM NOM.


in before ac2 spread critics: I'm a decent shot, so it doesn't bother me.

oh, i ran this before the charge mechanic. Was running dual 10s well before, so I agree with one point, On th other hand, even with the low arms it was a premiere suppression sniper.

[Typhon27]

It is good to see people having success and fun with unconventional builds, that would be frowned upon in teams.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2d37fadc1886a59

Just came out of a match with 6 kills/681 damage with that one. I know the 1 big gun/2 tiny gun setup is a little weird, but allow me to draw your attention to the 300 standard driving them. Decent speed and extended survivability.