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[Flapdrol]

^^
I'd spend just a little more to run 8GB dualchannel.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

DocBach, on 28 July 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($22.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $495.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-28 21:10 EDT-0400

I like this build alot, its amazing for the cost.

Would like to see a test comparison of this one vs the one i posted above for MWO, would be interesting results!

[Lord Letto]

after reading through this a bit: http://www.tomshardw...cking,3888.html

i came up with this:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/wmvXJx
http://ca.pcpartpick...Jx/by_merchant/

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/wmvXJx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpick...Jx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 80GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.13 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GT 730 1GB Video Card ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Thermaltake VO545A1N2U ATX Mid Tower Case w/450W Power Supply ($57.95 @ Vuugo)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $495.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 10:11 EDT-0400

when I put the parts list into the US site, the price was $451.53 US

Edited by Lord Letto, 30 July 2014 - 06:14 AM.

[DocBach]

I think I could live without an SSD for either a better CPU or an actual gaming GPU;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($22.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $409.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 17:19 EDT-0400

$400, and it'd game better even without the SSD

Edited by DocBach, 30 July 2014 - 01:20 PM.

[Goose]

I understand wanting to play MW:O on a duel-core 'cause that's what you've got, but why pay money for one to do so?

[DocBach]

Some people with even less capable systems might want to upgrade and have a demeaning wife who says $400 is all you can spend or we get divorced?

I personally have a 4790K and two GTX 780s, but I also have a cushy federal job with awesome benefits -- not everybody has that, but you are right -- I personally would squeeze pennies and at least get an i5 with something like a 270X -- but that would be at least $600 pinching pennies from every other component besides the CPU/GPU; the spirit of the thread is hey, we got a $500 hard limit, reasons immaterial -- what can you make with it for the best MWO experience?

Edited by DocBach, 30 July 2014 - 03:02 PM.

[Lord Letto]

DocBach, on 30 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

I think I could live without an SSD for either a better CPU or an actual gaming GPU;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($22.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $409.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 17:19 EDT-0400

$400, and it'd game better even without the SSD

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GHsddC
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....dC/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($22.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $494.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 22:08 EDT-0400

upgraded GPU and added optical drive and still under $500

[DocBach]

Holy crap, that's a beastly GPU. In most non-CPU heavy games you should get incredible FPS from it, too.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 30 July 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

I understand wanting to play MW:O on a duel-core 'cause that's what you've got, but why pay money for one to do so?

That dual core CPU is a beast, capable of overclocking well into the 4.5GHZ+ and delivers outstanding per core performance, so for games where thats important ala MWO it should work perfectly fine, in some game benchmarks that dual core CPU pulls alongside quad cores and in some better frames than quad cores.

But to do the overclocking may require some additional funds on motherboards

http://www.tomshardw...ew-32974-5.html

http://www.legitrevi...rmance_145873/5

For a budget CPU, its the place to be.

Edited by DV McKenna, 31 July 2014 - 12:33 AM.

[Flapdrol]

If you're getting the G3258, make sure to check the motherboard allows overclocking in this thread:

http://forums.anandt...d.php?t=2389948

[Goose]

DV McKenna, on 31 July 2014 - 12:31 AM, said:

… in some game benchmarks that dual core CPU pulls alongside quad cores and in some better frames than quad cores

Try linking to the relevant page next time. http://www.tomshardw...ew-32974-6.html

CPU Bound damn-well means something …

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 31 July 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

Try linking to the relevant page next time. http://www.tomshardw...ew-32974-6.html

CPU Bound damn-well means something …

The whole article is relevant, i linked from the first game review, not just a single game and also why i provided links from two sights.
And the page you linked, has 1MS frame time variance on average and even in that Toms agree it is only 3MS max.
If your not referring to that and are looking at the FPS, im unsure what your point is, as the chip achieves over 60FPS in Grid 2 across the board.

So perhaps you want to understand the figures your linking and set out your issue with them because the page you linked shows nothing amiss.

Budgets mean something also, so you can't always fit what you would like into those budgets.

Edited by DV McKenna, 31 July 2014 - 10:01 AM.

[Goose]

Frame Variance? In a noted CPU-loading game, it lost 19.57% framerate to a quad-core running a whole GHz slower; The 4330 is also 3.5GHz, but has Hyperthreading, so the Pentium loses by ~12% to it.

"CPU Bound" means something.

Now; Someone has 7870s' on sale:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Rosewill RCX-ZAIO-92 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($48.37 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-2000 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($51.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $585.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 20:10 EDT-0400

Base Total: $655.29
Promo Discounts: -$15.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$55.00
Total: $585.29

Not fond of Antec fans, but the case is well requarded; No overclocking to be had, so chipset selection upend up; Same Ol' memory and CPU cooler (that was a sale on the Hyper 212+ you where seeing,) and PSU.

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[Outcast1six]

What about Laptops?

I travel for work on a 21 on and 10 off schedule, so most of my playing is on the road. My current laptop runs at the lowest settings to make the game smooth, about 21-24 FPS if I have a good connection.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 01 August 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

Frame Variance? In a noted CPU-loading game, it lost 19.57% framerate to a quad-core running a whole GHz slower; The 4330 is also 3.5GHz, but has Hyperthreading, so the Pentium loses by ~12% to it.
"CPU Bound" means something.

Ok you don't know what Frame Variance is so we'll skip that.

It seems like your grasping at straws out of a fear of dual core.

When we talk about a game being playable we're talking about obtaining the much discussed 60FPS mark or damn close to it.
You've made %'s to make your argument look stronger ignoring the fact that across minimum,average,maximum the dual core is above 60FPS at 1080P highest settings in your CPU bound game and thus resolvent of the %'s or higher FPS mark the dual core essentially plays the game at the same required level as the vastly more expensive quad core.

So your CPU bound means something is correct, and ultimately irrelevant in what your trying to prove as the dual core becomes CPU bound past the level of acceptable gaming in this and many other instances.

So now the thread is about $500 builds or as close to it as possible, your going to struggle to do that choosing an intel quad core.

Outcast16, on 01 August 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

What about Laptops?

I travel for work on a 21 on and 10 off schedule, so most of my playing is on the road. My current laptop runs at the lowest settings to make the game smooth, about 21-24 FPS if I have a good connection.

If your talking $500 laptops that's going to be pretty much impossible if your budget is higher then we might be able to find something

[Goose]

DV McKenna, on 01 August 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

So now the thread is about $500 builds or as close to it as possible, your going to struggle to do that choosing an intel quad core.

The thread is about builds that play MW:O.

Duel-cores do this badly.

If you want to buy a new system, but can't afford one that gets the job done, then you keep on saving.

Advice to buy a duel-core, at this point in history, is bad.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 01 August 2014 - 11:40 PM, said:

The thread is about builds that play MW:O.

Duel-cores do this badly.

If you want to buy a new system, but can't afford one that gets the job done, then you keep on saving.

Advice to buy a duel-core, at this point in history, is bad.

This is where your misinformed, MWO is highly dependent on per core performance, old dual cores certainly are bad at this and thus the quad core requirement.
This Haswell Dual core delivers that per core performance, and makes it possible.
The only issue will be the variance in frame time, which may produce stutter.

And of course we can't account for PGI's terrible coding.

If you live in the past sure, your correct.

Like you say the thread is about machines that will play MWO the machines above will play MWO at budget level...that is what we are talking about.
Anyone can make a build of any cost, but we are talking of $500 machines, not $580 or 600 or 700 $500 or less.

Which generally leaves you at AMD chips (bad) Dual Core Haswell and mid range GPU (ok) or Quad Core Haswell and low end GPU.

Edited by DV McKenna, 01 August 2014 - 11:58 PM.

[Goose]

The IPC increases at Intel have existed, but are slow in coming …

Edited by Goose, 02 August 2014 - 12:07 AM.

[Flapdrol]

Doesn't matter, fact is that the haswell dualcore with overclock runs this game much better than an amd FX, is very cheap, and leaves the upgrade path to a quadcore i5 open.

[Goose]

Flapdrol, on 02 August 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

… fact is that the haswell dualcore with overclock runs this game much better than an amd FX …

And your proof is where?