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[Leded]

i don't recall hearing anything about this and i know there is precedent for it. i know in the novels i've read there have been I.S. 'Mechs "upgraded" to Clan Specifications.

if they make that possible i would assume it would cost about as much as a new mech tho.

if would be a step even out those "clan mechs are OP" naysayers

Edited by Leded, 17 February 2014 - 01:59 AM.

[Dymlos2003]

In about 5-10 years

[Khobai]

I doubt youll ever be able to use clan tech on the existing IS mechs.

clan tech is balanced around omnimechs having certain limitations.

The only way IS will ever get clan-equivalent tech is when they get their own omnimechs.

[NextGame]

PGI have stated that IS and Clan mechs will not be able to use each others techs. They were worried that people might have fun.

[Mycrus]

Is cannot

[Accused]

Yeah, PGI is already on record saying they won't allow it.

I want ssrms 6's.

[Joseph Mallan]

Khobai, on 17 February 2014 - 03:42 AM, said:

I doubt youll ever be able to use clan tech on the existing IS mechs.

clan tech is balanced around omnimechs having certain limitations.

The only way IS will ever get clan-equivalent tech is when they get their own omnimechs.

I wouldn't say this. By the time of the great refusal, IS Elite units had as much as 60% Clan equipment.

[Craig Steele]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 February 2014 - 05:19 AM, said:

I wouldn't say this. By the time of the great refusal, IS Elite units had as much as 60% Clan equipment.

What "great refusal?" JF / CW?

[Satan n stuff]

Dymlos2003, on 17 February 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

In about 5-10 years

There are clan versions of several of our current mechs, as far as I know every single Star League mech in that list has a IIC version available at this time.

[Triordinant]

Craig Steele, on 17 February 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:

What "great refusal?" JF / CW?

The Great Refusal takes place 9 years from now: http://www.sarna.net...i/Great_Refusal

[Craig Steele]

Triordinant, on 17 February 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

The Great Refusal takes place 9 years from now: http://www.sarna.net...i/Great_Refusal

Oops, duh. Sorry. Got Refusal War in my head

[SI The Joker]

Suggestion: Never Rarely take PGI at their word when it comes to functionality of this game.

PGI will find a way to make it work shortly after IGP figures out how to monetize it.

Edited by SI The Joker, 17 February 2014 - 06:30 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 February 2014 - 05:19 AM, said:

By the time of the great refusal, IS Elite units had as much as 60% Clan equipment.

And your source for this statement is...?

[Mechteric]

Its just better for balance if clan mechs only get clan weapons, and IS mechs only get IS weapons. Otherwise nobody will use IS weapons, which defeats the purpose of their existence. This game isn't about an arms race to the heaviest clan weapon wielding mech you can get, and that is how PGI appears to be keeping it going towards (at least once we get tonnage limits, that will certainly be more true).

[Craig Steele]

Strum Wealh, on 17 February 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

And your source for this statement is...?

Some of the Kuritans might be around that number. But it was more Combine than anyone. Remember they were stock piling Clan salvage from Wolcott, Luthien etc for use in IS Omni mechs and they all went to the "who's who" regiments. Not all systems would be Clan sure, but throw in a few Captured Omni mechs, and a handful of refits and its not unbelievable. Heres my basic maths.

100 mechs in a regiment, 60 Omni's with 50% Clan = 30% + 20 Clan Mechs = 50% + 20 refits with 50% = 60%. OFC the numbers might slide up and down but 60% is in the ballpark.

Fedcom got a bit from Coventry but they granted Hegira so a lot of salvage was taken off the battlefield by the withdrawing Falcons, (you know, like mechs dragged back and being worked on that in a retreat would have been left behind) Twycross simply didn't offer that many chassis for salvage (can't imagine they got much out of the great gash). Hard to see Fedcom's best having that ratio of Clan, but certainly 80%+ Star League equivilant if not higher.

But Elite units like St Ives Lancers or House DadiChi had stuff all Clan (comparitivily). Even Marik had very little, they just didn't have the opportunities to salvage it.

Operation Bulldog provided a kicker for sure, but that would still be going through the supply chains I would think except for the easiest of field repairs / salvage.

[Joseph Mallan]

Strum Wealh, on 17 February 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

And your source for this statement is...?

SOme of the House Books, Mercs Supplimentals, Field manual Update. By 3058 Avanti's Angels had 60 tons of Clan equipment on their Mechs.

As of 3058 The Black Thorns

This info can be confirmked in the appropiate Sourcebook.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 17 February 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[3rdworld]

If they are going to balance the game around 10 vs 12, let IS mechs be "converted" to clan tech, then they now count as clan mechs for the Match Maker.

[topgun505]

Per the lore, yes, you can mix the techs. But it isnt just a simple swap out The energy requirements for clan weapons are different from that of IS. Likewise for ammunition calibers. You would have to send the mech back to a dedicated mech shop and spend significant time reworking things to make it work. And then maintaining said equipment once installed is a b**** for the techs. It's just more trouble and costly than its worth.

Out of the thousands of mech variants in the CBT universe there are less than 100 that are officially classified as mixed tech.

For the purposes of MWO game balance? Hell no.

Think of this:

Spider with clan ERPPC (which does 50% more damage than IS) + Clan XL engine (so you can't kill it by a single side-torso destruction). Nuff said.

[Sephlock]

Leded, on 17 February 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

i don't recall hearing anything about this and i know there is precedent for it. i know in the novels i've read there have been I.S. 'Mechs "upgraded" to Clan Specifications.

if they make that possible i would assume it would cost about as much as a new mech tho.

if would be a step even out those "clan mechs are OP" naysayers

Yes, I do. No they can't/

[Satan n stuff]

topgun505, on 18 February 2014 - 05:26 AM, said:

Spider with clan ERPPC (which does 50% more damage than IS) + Clan XL engine (so you can't kill it by a single side-torso destruction). Nuff said.

Why would you aim for a Spider's torso?