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[Steel your Life]

The atlas sucks compared to the victor and highlander. Its just really not that great of a mech at all.

why?

My simple answer lies in the nature of this game. This game was based off table top so what they did was double all the hitpoints and keep weapon damage the same. This is an aim based game.
Because when you can easily do 20-30 damage per cycle what good is 60 armor vs 30 if your an easy target? That's why highlanders do so much better than any other mech. It is their ability to distribute damage because they are hard to hit.

Simply its a sad truth armor does not scale with the Atlas to mitigate how easy it is to be hit. It is far better to have a more mobile mech that distributes damage or gets a high percentage of enemy misses then have an easy to hit mech with lots of weapons. If the Atlas had 100 armor in each part center and side torsos maybe just maybe that would make it viable. But it gets 100 center and 60 sides that's nothing 1 mech can easily put 30 damage per cycle where they want when they want on an atlas. Get 2 mechs shooting and an Atlas lasts a few seconds.


To noob scout players the atlas is good because noob scout players cant bring it down fast because they are moving so much they just randomly shoot the atlas. but to those in the know who have a grasp on diff mechs and can control their fire the Atlas is a joke.

Edited by Steel your Life, 19 February 2014 - 03:16 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

And your opinion has been acknowledged.

[Steel your Life]

if you don't have anything to say then its best not to say anything.......

[Joseph Mallan]

Its also sometimes better to say it politely, that bluntly.

[Curccu]

... but he had something to say?

[Joseph Mallan]

Curccu, on 19 February 2014 - 03:36 AM, said:

... but he had something to say?

Yes And Just as, "May you live in interesting times." is a most horrendous curse, my meaning was missed.

[Joseph Mallan]

Then you are the guy who misses the point.

Your opinion is that Atlases suck.

165 wins and 148 losses does not define sucking. I have killed every type of mech, using every style of play. So if you are getting bad results in an Atlas the fault is not the mech's.

I have a job running a CNC Machining station. It runs between 8 minutes an 2 hours. That give me lots of time to do... other things. So in a round about way, I do get paid to post, cause I rarely am on the forums after I get home.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 19 February 2014 - 04:49 AM.

[Steel your Life]

Im sorry that you have no grasp on logic or concept of scalability. But the fact of the reality in which you live is that your win record has as little to do with Atlas balance as my typing has to do with the earths rotation around the sun.

Games are made up of 12 people the mech you pick and your ability to pilot it has 1/12 to do with if you win a game or not.

Since the laws of mathematics do not seem to be on your side I can only hope the invisible friend you consult before posting your arguments still is.

[Mudhutwarrior]

It used to be suicide to go head to head with an Atlas. Now pretty much everyone does. That tells me something. It should have the best damage scores of all my mechs but the Highlander, Victor and Jaeger pretty much do double or better ECM or not.

I don't mind so much because I still see people who spent real money of Boars Heads and it makes me feel less of a fool to own a DDC

[Arnold J Rimmer]

Yeah, okay, Atlases are squishier than their reputation would have you believe.

But did I read that last part of the OP right? Scouts (ie, Lights) are noobs?

YMMV, but the Light pilots I know are some of the best pilots I know. Period.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Atlas are like crack to good lite pilots and even some noobs.

[Joseph Mallan]

Steel your Life, on 19 February 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

Im sorry that you have no grasp on logic or concept of scalability. But the fact of the reality in which you live is that your win record has as little to do with Atlas balance as my typing has to do with the earths rotation around the sun.

Games are made up of 12 people the mech you pick and your ability to pilot it has 1/12 to do with if you win a game or not.

Since the laws of mathematics do not seem to be on your side I can only hope the invisible friend you consult before posting your arguments still is.

Funny the statistics are on my side as well, 128 wins and 116 losses, So not only does my Atlas live more often than die, it also is on a winning team more than a losing one. So my Statistics seem to trump your math.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 19 February 2014 - 05:09 AM.

[Anton Shiningstar]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 February 2014 - 04:53 AM, said:

Funny the statistics are on my side as well, 128 wins and 116 losses, So not only does my Atlas live more often that die, it also is on a winning team more than a losing one. So my Statistics seem to trump your math.

And just so you cannot claim my premade status got me all my wins. Here are my Atlas results from a pure PUG alt.
35W/24L
42K/34D

Again proof that the poor showing is not the fault of the Atlas, but the wielder of the mouse.

[Xando Parapasu]

Anton Shiningstar, on 19 February 2014 - 04:57 AM, said:

And just so you cannot claim my premade status got me all my wins. Here are my Atlas results from a pure PUG alt.
35W/24L
42K/34D

Again proof that the poor showing is not the fault of the Atlas, but the wielder of the mouse.

And my Kurita Alt has a
7W/6L
9K/7D
Total in an Atlas

Those are better than average scores to my eyes, so again your opinion has been duly noted.

Edited by Xando Parapasu, 19 February 2014 - 05:01 AM.

[NextGame]

Atlas is alright if you use it properly, but its more of a giant punching bag these days when compared with the current handful of popular ballistics heavies & jump assault variants.

It has certainly slipped down the food chain a bit.

Edited by NextGame, 19 February 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[Xando Parapasu]

Mudhutwarrior, on 19 February 2014 - 04:24 AM, said:

It used to be suicide to go head to head with an Atlas. Now pretty much everyone does. That tells me something. It should have the best damage scores of all my mechs but the Highlander, Victor and Jaeger pretty much do double or better ECM or not.

I don't mind so much because I still see people who spent real money of Boars Heads and it makes me feel less of a fool to own a DDC

Not a bad point Mud.
Heavy Metal
11w/7L
10K/13D

[Joseph Mallan]

Xando Parapasu, on 19 February 2014 - 05:03 AM, said:

Not a bad point Mud.
Heavy Metal
11w/7L
10K/13D

And As Joe I have 56w/61l and 60K/91D in a Highlander and 6w/7l & 3K 10D in a Victor

I am noticeably better in an Atlas than in Victors and Highlanders.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 19 February 2014 - 05:08 AM.

[Outlaw]

The problem is, the people who tend to pilot the Atlas dont really know how to use them. Too often i see players trying to go with a Meta based build to get kills instead of using the Atlas for its intended purpose. The intended purpose i refer to is being a battering ram that the team follows, smash into enemy lines, sew chaos and while the enemy scrambles to regroup the teammates following you finish them off. I have had a good bit of success utilizing it in this way, even bagged a few kills doing it, however it does rely on the team actually committing when you do, and if they don't, you end up losing your mech in vain and watch as your team fails horribly afterwards.

[Craig Steele]

But be fair guys, as strong as an Atlas might be its mobility implies team work to unlock its maximum potential.

I mean you just cannot get left behind by your team and hope that its all going to be OK.

Maybe this guy doesn't have that sort of support and gets left behind a bit. Thats going to throw his stats and his opinion only one way.
Personally I don't see Atlas as king, but if you can stick with 3 or 4 others its weapon loadout and durability can be unlocked to other other teams shock and awe.

[Anton Shiningstar]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 February 2014 - 05:07 AM, said:

And As Joe I have 56w/61l and 60K/91D in a Highlander and 6w/7l & 3K 10D in a Victor

I am noticeably better in an Atlas than in Victors and Highlanders.

And to keep it complete
28w/18l and 42k/39d in Highlanders here, but no Victors.

Craig Steele, on 19 February 2014 - 05:12 AM, said:

But be fair guys, as strong as an Atlas might be its mobility implies team work to unlock its maximum potential.

I mean you just cannot get left behind by your team and hope that its all going to be OK.

Maybe this guy doesn't have that sort of support and gets left behind a bit. Thats going to throw his stats and his opinion only one way.
Personally I don't see Atlas as king, but if you can stick with 3 or 4 others its weapon loadout and durability can be unlocked to other other teams shock and awe.

hat could be true. But it is also why I included my PUG records, to give a fuller picture of how a Pilot can have synergy with a Mech. I am noticeably better in an Atlas than I am in Highlanders or Victors.