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[Hawk819]

MysteryNotes, on 19 February 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Marauder.

Not going to happen. If you want it. . . file a trial of grievance with Tommy Yune and Harmony Gold.

[Bishop Steiner]

sn4tchbuck13r, on 20 February 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Glad to see some love for the Panther. It was floated by the Devs back in early beta. I hope it happens eventually.

ditto

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hey Bishop, if your bored and you feel like sketching, Cougar man...Cougar

I have no idea why I like that mech so much, I just do. It's just so darn...cool looking.

[Bishop Steiner]

always wanted to like it, but the "collapsible" laser barrels look really dumb, IMO.

[tucsonspeed6]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 February 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

always wanted to like it, but the "collapsible" laser barrels look really dumb, IMO.

I never saw that before. Now I can't unsee it.

...I think you just ruined one of my favorite mechs for me.

[Bishop Steiner]

tucsonspeed6, on 21 February 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

I never saw that before. Now I can't unsee it.

...I think you just ruined one of my favorite mechs for me.

I'm a horrible person...... but maybe.....if I unleash a Pug-in-the-Box?

[Muncehead]

Ooh Avatar! How can I forget that one.

Akuma is also one of my fave Kurita mechs.... Oh and the Hatamoto-chi.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 February 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

ditto

Oh Dear! I think I need a printer, some free time behind a locked door and a smoke! That is a tough looking SoB!

DONTOR, on 20 February 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

You do realise we will be able to increase Clan armor values dont you?

To the OP, do you mean Koshi(25ton mech), or do you mean Diashi (100ton mech) in either case they are both clan and the Diashi wll be out in june/ july and the Koshi (Myst Lynx) is not scheduled for release yet.

Do you have a link? I know I saw that PGI was going to do something with Clan Armor but I don't remember reading it being adjustable?!?

[Slashmckill]

The Hammerhands
The Clint
The Lynx
The Crab
The Wyvern
The Assasin
The Buccaneer (it's 5 years too early... but what the hell)

But if i had to pick only 3 it would be; the Hammerhands, the Assassin and the Crab (also throw in the King Crab for good measure)

Edited by Slashmckill, 22 February 2014 - 11:49 AM.

[PACoFist]

I would like some melee mechs like the Hatchetman or the one that looks like a samurai with a katana (don´t know the name). I always loved the Grasshopper very much. Other than that I think MWO should get more non-humanoid mechs like the Bushwacker.
And of course I vote for adding everybodys favourite walking trashcan, the Urbanmech.

[Strum Wealh]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 February 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

Do you have a link? I know I saw that PGI was going to do something with Clan Armor but I don't remember reading it being adjustable?!?

From Dev Vlog 02:

Quote

As Paul said we were asked whether armor was going to be adjustable. In the table top rules for Omnimechs armor is fixed, and you can’t do anything about it, ever… it’s type and location is completely fixed. We realize that the Table top armor placement is not necessarily the best armor placement for our game, so this is one of the instances where we’re going to break those rules and allow you to redistribute your armor as you see fit in order to best protect your ‘mech for our game…. But the type, whether it is going to be standard or ferro-fiborous is going to be fixed, and there won’t be any change to that.”

Paul:
“So the values are variable, but the types are not”

[Bishop Steiner]

PACoFist, on 22 February 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

I would like some melee mechs like the Hatchetman or the one that looks like a samurai with a katana (don´t know the name). I always loved the Grasshopper very much. Other than that I think MWO should get more non-humanoid mechs like the Bushwacker.
And of course I vote for adding everybodys favourite walking trashcan, the Urbanmech.

Say no to Mecha-Fu mechs! Swords are sooooooo Gundam! (Hatchet at least makes some sense as they would do more than just shatter upon striking another heavily armored mech. Same reason why a sword was near useless against heavy gothic plate armor, and so you used poleaxes, maces and picks to dispatch the people inside. And Katanas, beautiful as they are were useless against heavy plate)

[Ragnar Darkmane]

tucsonspeed6, on 21 February 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

I never saw that before. Now I can't unsee it.

...I think you just ruined one of my favorite mechs for me.

Bishop Steiner, destroyer of hope, smasher of dreams ...

[MeiSooHaityu]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 February 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

always wanted to like it, but the "collapsible" laser barrels look really dumb, IMO.

Don't care, still like the mech LOL.

See, even more reason it needs to be re-drawn

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 February 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Say no to Mecha-Fu mechs! Swords are sooooooo Gundam! (Hatchet at least makes some sense as they would do more than just shatter upon striking another heavily armored mech. Same reason why a sword was near useless against heavy gothic plate armor, and so you used poleaxes, maces and picks to dispatch the people inside. And Katanas, beautiful as they are were useless against heavy plate)

For that matter, Katanas are almost useless against decent mail armor, let alone the heavier varieties. Katanas are for killing the civilian conscripts with their spears and farm implements (or for dueling when neither of you wear armor). You use your bow or your giant spiked club to kill other armored samurai.

Really, hatchets make the most sense for battlemech melee combat, though maces would probably do pretty well (specifically flanged designs).

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 24 February 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

For that matter, Katanas are almost useless against decent mail armor, let alone the heavier varieties.  Katanas are for killing the civilian conscripts with their spears and farm implements (or for dueling when neither of you wear armor).  You use your bow or your giant spiked club to kill other armored samurai.

Really, hatchets make the most sense for battlemech melee combat, though maces would probably do pretty well (specifically flanged designs).

Both in the European and the Japanese medieval history, swords were always a secondary weapon. Swords, especially those that weren't viable for stabbing (the most reliable way to pierce chain mail) lost much of their effectiveness with the advent of chain mail and the more effective the mail became. And once plate armor popped up... you were basically screwed in a fight against another knight because your only chance was to poke your sword through one of the very few weakspots in the armor, while the other guy could merrily beat your limbs or skull to a pulp with his axe/mace/hammer/halberd with impunity. Same goes for Samurai Armor (and to the Ashigaru torso armor to some extend): While they were lightweight compared to European armor and weren't especially thick, they were excellent as far as their ability to make blades glance off goes. Unless you were using longer and heavier versions of the katana designed to cut through armor (like the Nodachi), that weren't that flexible as the other long weapons, you weren't using your katana unless you lost/broke your main weapon (still better than a dagger). That means that you were traditionally using either a Yari (best at piercing armor through thrusts) or Naginata (longer reach and more force behind your slashes, also very efficient for hacking your opponents legs off which basically decides the fight) or a bow. You also used those weapons because you didn't want to put yourself at too much of a range disadvantage fighting against the common conscript soldiers that used longer versions of the Yari.
The Katana only became relevant in the Edo-period because you simply couldn't run around with a naginata as part of your casual/civil outfit, there basically was no war to be fought and the standard Katana was excellent for cutting anyone without armor.

Or in other words: Unless the weapon has a massive energy/plasma field that does the actual cutting: giant mecha swords are as useless as it gets for fighting mechs. Unlikely that FASA gave it much thought for the sake of coolness in the 80s (giant robo fighting another mecha with a sword) though. Axes and maces are better but weapons like the PPC are most likely more effective and deal their damage at range.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 24 February 2014 - 12:06 PM.

[mogs01gt]

I just looked at the King Crab......that thing would be impossible to kill!

Why cant we get a Marauder?

Edited by mogs01gt, 24 February 2014 - 12:31 PM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

mogs01gt, on 24 February 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

I just looked at the King Crab......that thing would be impossible to kill!

Of course you can kill it. You just have to...






... hit it's weakspot!

The massive armor (that isn't that much tougher than that of the Atlas) also gets balanced by low speed and most likely slow turning speed. So if you are stupid and attack it head on = you will die (and deserve it). If you use your brainz and flank it = you kill it relatively easy (unless the other team is intelligent and supports the Crab = teamplay = win). Equal great strengths and weaknesses = balanced.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 24 February 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Anything from the original print 3025 TRO I'd be happy with though of course a large portion of unseen would be mi...

Sues harmony gold for being nasty and grasping...settles out of court on grounds of allowing unseen into MWO for a reasonable fee..

There solved that problem..

Anything from the 3025 TRO I'd be happy with.


Well one can dream

Edited by Cathy, 24 February 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[PieRat]

+1 to Bushwhacker, and Uziel.