RichAC, on 21 February 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:
More like the game mode PGI is designing this game around, by your own admission. And the game mode 90% of the community prefer. If you don't like the game don't play it. A Dev already said private matches will not be rewarded. To continue to argue against the devs themselves and 90% of this community, is whats selfish.
- Actually, I didn't admit any such thing. Please quote me otherwise and I will acknowledge my error.
- What I did concede is that these are the game modes we have NOW! My belief is that the game is ultimately being designed around CW, that is a very different thing.
- You have no clue what the community prefers. We only have 3 game modes and they are all Public Random Drops. You have no grounds for making a 90% claim.
- Smartest thing you've said all day though it does appear to reinforce my belief that your stance is "Play the game the way I want you to or don't get rewards!"
- A dev did, though they have changed their minds before. 3rd person view was promised to never happen. Coolant Flush was vowed to never be a thing. I think I have a reasonable enough case to be put forward for consideration.
- How is presenting a reasoned and thought out argument in and of itself selfish? Because it might work and you don't want it to?
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Thats the point, they would not be participating with the community. Only their private community. Which is fine, as long as they understand, to get the benefits everyone else does, they need to participate with the whole community.
- You need to divorce yourself first from this belief that the community is only the Public Random Queue. It isn't. Players don't suddenly get ejected from the community because they play a different game mode.
- "Only their private community" Do you imagine that there will be no way to participate in this unless specifically invited? I remember this concept most closely resembling the MW3/4 multi-player options. Groups were listed and you could join them if you wished. It's true you could be ejected from that group or they could be locked private but there were mechanisms by which you could find matches and participate in this mode. You seem intent on painting the image that these players will all be locked away and never interact with anyone else who plays MWO, ever again. It is a juvenile concept.
- Why do they need to participate in the Public Random Queue if they want rewards? Why should they be forced into a game mode they enjoy less just so they can progress? Because you want more players in your preferred game mode?
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What a troll..hahah. As if the fact its exploitable isn't enough..... I've addressed these points over and over again. Everytime you ask me this I will just keep reposting this:
- You have yet to point out any instance of trolling on my behalf in this thread. This is evasion and insulting.
- No, just saying it is potentially exploitable is NOT enough. The Random Public Queue is not only potentially exploitable, it is exploited. I don't count that as reason enough to demand we scrap the Random Public Queue.
- Where have you addressed my questions? Even a link to the appropriate post will do. Your pat answer here is a return to your deflection techniques when you can't defend your position. I've been civil enough in arguing your points, how about you extend the same curtsey?
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Because you are avoiding the challenge of playing with random teamates and opponents, for easier/faster rewards. Apparently "playing with friends" for "fun" is not your real issue. If cbills were not an issue, why would you care in the first place?
I'm sure PGI also wants to make sure people still actually play CW and other game modes. Which they are working hard on and what keeps them in business, and how they designed this game to be played.
^ this is just one reply i repasted that answers this question, you should actually try reading this thread instead of trolling it "for personal reasons" lol.
You have no grounds for saying Private Matches would be more or less Challenging. Additionally, being more challenging is not a reason in its own right.
The final point, Private Matches having rewards will not deprive PGI of income. The same drivers that encourage players to make MC purchases in the Public Random Queue also exist in Private Matches. This is a non-argument.
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Another reason, which you've already quoted from me I didn't bother to reply to, is that if you only progressed in a private match, it would throw the match maker off balance, and your ELO would be invalid, for obivous reasons, when dropping back in with the community. The longer you don't play with the community, the more in accurate your ELO becomes, especially when gaining xp and equipment, meaning abilities and attributes, for obvious reasons.
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Private Matches don't affect Elo at all so that actual playing of Private Matches won't have any effect.
If you improve in Private Matches, Elo will correct that but not having rewards won't stop this effect happening.
Gaining equipment will not stop you purchasing the same things with MC and having the same effect. You protect the public queue from nothing.
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HAHAHA.... The reason why, is because there is no "choice" Its fun to read insane replies like this....
You are having this discussion with several people who are obviously of the opinion that there is a distinction between the two positions you tied together and you can honestly say "because there is no "choice"? The fact we are having this discussion is proof there is!
Should Private Matches be ranked by Elo? Of course not because Elo has no place in self selected matches, it is only used for the matchmaker and should only be used with the matchmaker. No one disagrees with this.
Should Private Matches be Rewarded? You have several people arguing that yes, they should be. The fact that you cling to this idea that "
there is no choice" shows that you are thinking about this and you are not open to discussion about this.
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You can still play with friends in a 4 man. Or you can form a 12 man.
And that is why there was a mass exodus of the old players. They went to games that cater for their desire to play with more than 4 of their friends at a time. Simply stating the status quo is not debating the pro's and con's of a situation. It is saying "I'm right ... because". 100 odd years ago you could lawfully own slaves. Does that make it right and above discussion?
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I disagree and refer to the first statement of this post.
So your position here is the game is not being designed around CW? CW is what? An after thought to keep those who play in whining pre-mades happy?
Or is your point that PGI is developing the game around Public Random Queues and they simply cannot have another mode of play become more popular because ... Cheetos?
When you don't respond to the point and say "refer to this paragraph" you don't address the point, you are unclear and don't really say anything. If it is that applicable are you saying it is vastly too difficult to copy and paste?
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Yes, I know they do. Knowledge of these things doesn't mean anything else other than I know.
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And I disagree that cheating and exploitation be treated any different. Why would you even want to have a debate on that? Cheat-able, exploitable, pure semantics. Just like a criminal is a crimnal, we don't have to argue the diffrence between their crimes. They both go directly to jail and don't pass go...lol
I never said Cheating and Exploitation should be treated any different, I never entered the discussion on how they should be treated. I said that there is a difference and there is. I make that distinction to try and put to rest this whole hacking issue which is largely irrelevant to this discussion. It makes no difference what game mode a cheater cheats in, they will still have the same outcomes. Exploitation is what we should be discussing and I still pur forward the question, how badly could Private Matches be exploited? It is a relevant question. If we are indulging a large effort to stop 10% of people gaining and extra 100 C-Bills per match, is this really a large issue since it doesn't directly affect anyone else? These things do matter!
To clear your analogy up a little:
Yes we do argue the difference between people's crimes. You can be fined, diverted, have a suspended sentence, be sentenced to jail for varying lengths of time
based on the severity of the crime or even be put to death. All crimes don't have the same penalties. All exploits aren't perm-ban forever level offenses.
'RichAC': "
Sporstmanship is required, whether its a video game, and athletic sport or board game."
Yeah, stop with the sportsmanship references. You've shown that you will side step a persons argument and attack the person as soon as you can't defend your position, you don't get to talk about sportsmanship.
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