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[Featherwood]

I have created poll on the subject in the Suggestions subforum (due to restriction on liberal polls creation after 3PV buzz). Full text of suggestion is under the spoiler ↓

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Featherwood, on 17 February 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Digression

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Sadly, I am addict of MW franchise and Clans fan, but I consider myself reasonable person, so... guess what? I’m eager to help PGI to give me a reason to buy a Clan Pack! I gave up to find valid logical one, but I still can try to persuade myself to spend few bucks on, well, something of ephemeral nature and value (no, no, f*** that golden skin, it is for ambitious kin, heh-he-he). Thereby I was thinking how it could be possible to add value to existing Clan Packs without too much effort from PGI (anyway they are not capable have no resources for anything else, check those SOCIAL REWARDS and especially touching gesture in the form of the cup of LOYALTY, lol).

Introduction
What is common between founders’ and phoenix/saber’s Mechs and what hasn’t changed since OBT? Right, unique camouflage pattern which cannot be changed except for colors. Should we expect that to be altered for Clan Pack Mechs (hereinafter CPMs) – I think not. Ergo:

• Clans players in CPMs will be hard to distinguish on the battlefield from IS players in CPMs
  
• CPMs from different Clans will be hard to distinguish among themselves, plus →

at the same time:

• Clan allegiance could be shown by insignia only (in theory soon™ after CW)
  
• Many players would love to have/pay for unique camo pattern for chosen Clan
  
• Why Clan Mechs Packs have nothing to do with Clans, after all?

Suggestion

To any appropriate PGI staff member:
In order to increase Clan Packs value and, thus, overall sales, please consider addition of upgradeable Pre-Order Bonus available for Clan Package of any level. Main features of suggested bonus packs:

• Purchasable upgrade (price policy is up to you, reasonable price policy, please)
  
• Available for every of 4 Invading Clans (customer must choose 1 Clan)*
  
• Available for any Clan Package (not available for A La Carte collection upgrade)
  
• Contains unique and recognizable camo pattern for selected Clan
  
• Designated Clan camo applies for all Prime Variants of CPMs in package
  
• Provides unique selected Clan allegiance icon for forum account (optional, up to you)
  
• May contain optional cockpit bubbles (optional bubbles are optional)

(*)In case if you won't be able to make 4 different Clan camo patterns for all 8 chassis, they could be replaced by single patten - to distinguish Clan players from IS ones, but that would be quickie, IMO.




Discussion moved to Clans subforum.

Do you like the idea? Would you be willing to pay extra $$ for such a bonus? What is your maximal bid for a price of Specific Clan Camouflage (plus, maybe, something else as extra)?
You are welcome to vote and share your thoughts in current thread if you please.


P.S. As for look of mentioned unique Clan camouflage, I absolutely trust Alexander Iglesias and Mark Hayden in this question, but I secretly hope they wouldn't follow old 1992 Jade Falcon Sourcebook too close (that hateful chicken head on the Falcon CAMO ).

[Corralis]

So what would stop Merc's (like myself) and other IS players from buying these camo pattern's? I imagine that there will be Specific Clan patterns and paint jobs in the future but there would still be no way to stop certain people from buying and using them.

[Featherwood]

Corralis, on 20 February 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

So what would stop Merc's (like myself) and other IS players from buying these camo pattern's? I imagine that there will be Specific Clan patterns and paint jobs in the future but there would still be no way to stop certain people from buying and using them.

Erm, I didn't get direction of your thoughts, why should something stop you from buying it or using it on your Mech? Even if you claim yourself IS pilot, but you've paid for the Clan Pack and camo, so they are yours to use. So I see no logical contradictions in it. As for future camos opened for Loyalty points as it was promissed, I draw your attention to the fact that Founders/PP+Saber/hero Mechs cannot apply camos different from default and that it is the main cause of my idea and petition: I do not want to ride absolutely same Clan Pack Mech (Prime) as IS pilots. Diversity is power, so it's said at times, lol.

Edited by Featherwood, 20 February 2014 - 01:03 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Corralis, on 20 February 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

So what would stop Merc's (like myself) and other IS players from buying these camo pattern's? I imagine that there will be Specific Clan patterns and paint jobs in the future but there would still be no way to stop certain people from buying and using them.

Nothing would prevent you just as PGI has no interest in limiting you from spending money on clan mechs.

Second, while House and Clan patterns are a great idea and something nifty with which PGI can make some money off of, they are not necessary for visually IDing people on the battlefield. The targeting and friendly icons do that already. Its pure fluff (welcome fluff though it may be).

[Corralis]

Featherwood, on 20 February 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Erm, I didn't get direction of your thoughts, why should something stop you from buying it or using it on your Mech? Even if you claim yourself IS pilot, but you've paid for the Clan Pack and camo, so they are yours to use. So I see no logical contradictions in it. As for future camos opened for Loyalty points as it was promissed, I draw your attention to the fact that Founders/PP+Saber/hero Mechs cannot apply camos different from default and that it is the main cause of my idea and petition: I do not want to ride absolutely same Clan Pack Mech (Prime) as IS pilots. Diversity is power, so it's said at times, lol.

At one point in your post you ask to be able to distinguish Clan players from IS players. My only point was how are you going to stop IS players from using Clan Mech's? In any case and after reading the post again I'm assuming you meant distinguish Clan Mech's from IS Mech's as these pattern's would be available for Clan mech's only so ignore what i previously said.

[CeeKay Boques]

What I want to know is, can I buy an Uller package, then upgrade to the gazillion dollar package later when my wife isn't monitoring the bank account like a hawk and still get all the bonus thingies?

Sorry to be off topic, but its close.

[Rat of the Legion Vega]

Featherwood, on 20 February 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Would you be willing to pay extra $$ for such a bonus? What is your maximal bid

Maximal camo you say? Better come with this Clan's insignia:

[Deathz Jester]

Technoviking, on 20 February 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

What I want to know is, can I buy an Uller package, then upgrade to the gazillion dollar package later when my wife isn't monitoring the bank account like a hawk and still get all the bonus thingies?

Sorry to be off topic, but its close.

Yes you can, just like they did with Founders and Overlord.

[Ryoken]

Featherwood, on 20 February 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Erm, I didn't get direction of your thoughts, why should something stop you from buying it or using it on your Mech? Even if you claim yourself IS pilot, but you've paid for the Clan Pack and camo, so they are yours to use. So I see no logical contradictions in it. As for future camos opened for Loyalty points as it was promissed, I draw your attention to the fact that Founders/PP+Saber/hero Mechs cannot apply camos different from default and that it is the main cause of my idea and petition: I do not want to ride absolutely same Clan Pack Mech (Prime) as IS pilots. Diversity is power, so it's said at times, lol.

The big problem is that founders, hero, phoenix and future to be clan prime mechs can not choose any camo at all! They are stuck with just one camo option! This is a very harsh restriction compared to free standard mechs. Please help and post here:
http://www.mwomercs....-phoenix-mechs/

So that PGI might notice that individualization and costumization are a great way for a f2p title to raise money without beeing p2w.

Cheers Gents!

Edited by Ryoken, 20 February 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[CoffiNail]

... There is a reason you cannot edit what came the hero/package Mechs have. It keeps them more unique compared to the std Cbills Mech. You can change the color of the hero camo. It is a special Mech for a reason... It is like a gold Clan Mech... People will complian that they cannot change the color of their GOLD Mech.

[Ryoken]

CoffiNail, on 20 February 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

... There is a reason you cannot edit what came the hero/package Mechs have. It keeps them more unique compared to the std Cbills Mech. You can change the color of the hero camo. It is a special Mech for a reason... It is like a gold Clan Mech... People will complian that they cannot change the color of their GOLD Mech.

So you mean "unique/special" like in running around in "exactly the same camo pattern as hundreds and thousands" of other founder, hero and phoenix mechs?

So next thing you want to explain to me that options for individualisation do not lead to more diversity?

Sorry putting the same boring camo pattern an all these mechs does not make them any more special. In fact one might find that those forced on camo patterns are the second most common patterns after the standard pattern that comes for free!

Also once again - this is to be implemented as an option - who want's to keep the unique/special pattern like all the others can stick to it and feel even more "special" because some did change their pattern.

In fact, even if I would buy a Gold Clan mech to sponsor MWO, I would also paint it in camo. I do not need to flaunt or brag, as my happyness does not rely on the envy of other players. Whereas I do like to put some money in the game I like and also like the extra credit income plus different weapon hardpoints on some of the hero mechs.

So there is no reason not to allow us the option to change camo patterns on all our mechs. If you don't like it simply do not change your camo pattern. But please refrain from telling me or other players which patterns we do have to put on our mechs.

Edited by Ryoken, 20 February 2014 - 04:18 PM.

[VanillaG]

If I remember correctly, the CBill Bonus for the Founder/Hero/Sabre/Overlord mechs is tied to the camo pattern. I think it is a limitation of the system because the Founder-type mechs are exactly the same as the non Founder-type mech in regards to XP. So if you have a Founders HBK-G and bought a new HBK-G, it would already have the same XP as the Founder variant.

The reason Champion mechs work is because they are considered a different variant so they can code the bonus directly into the mech instead of the camo pattern.