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[Brixx]

AS THIS POST JUST GOT MOVED TO THE PATCH FEEDBACK SECTION:
I DOUBT IT IS PATCH RELATED, AS I HAVE ENCOUNTERED ALMOST IDENTICAL PROBLEMS YET TO A LESSER EXTENT OVER MONTHS. I AM MAKING THIS POST TO LOOK FOR HELP, NOT TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE CURRENT PATCH. I AM NOT USING DX11. PLEASE DO NOT MOVE.

Sorry for the capslock, I just don't want to get it moved again.

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Hello there, fellows!


I already had a rant or two about performance in MW:O, but I really need help again.

Things have become worse than ever, as it seems. Haven´t been active for a while, I just had a fresh, new install, i.e. no cfg-modification or whatsoever.

Now, I am stuck at 15-35 FPS completely independet of any options I tick.

In order to give proof, here are fourscreenshots:

The first two pictures are taken at standard-low settings, DX9 and 1680x1050.






These two pictures are taken at standard-high settings, DX9 and 1920x1080.





In the top left corner, you can see my FPS - which are neither influenced by action going on, mechs displayed on the screen, nor by anything else for that matter.

My system is not actually top-end and rather old now, but I have zero troubles comparable to this in any other games. My drivers are up to date, I use Win7 64-bit, background program of noteable interest was only Steam, but deactivating this did not help either.

My specs are:

AMD X6 1075t @ 3,6 Ghz with a Xigmatek Gaia Cooler
2x4 Gigabyte G.E.I.L. DDR3 1600Mhz
2048MB HIS Radeon R9 270X IceQ X² Turbo
MB Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3
A random Western Digital HDD
600W beQuiet power supply

All temperatures are perfectly low, GPU under load at around 50°C, CPU at around 55°C under load, HDD at around 28°C under load. Voltages are okay as well.

I know that the game hates AMD CPUs, but this is just nonsense. I have a CPU Load of under 30% when playing MW:O. It mostly runs at around 23%-25% load. Sometimes it even drops below that.

There is definitly something wrong, have there been any new discoveries while I have been away from playing? Is there anything I can tweak?

I mean, look at the screenshots. If you compare last and first of these, you will see that at LOWER SETTINGS with LOWER RESOLUTION and NOTHING going on at the screen, the FPS are LOWER, than when there is fighting on HIGHER SETTINGS with a HIGHER RESOLUTION.

Edit: Sorry for probably posting in the wrong section, I wasn't sure if that was patch related or general.
For the record, as some mod of the forums moved this to the patch-feedback section: I had almost similar problems for months, but when I gave it another shot, the problems are the same but have worsened concerning their extent. So I am not entirely sure if its actually linked to the patch of today.

Edited by Brixx, 05 March 2014 - 02:34 AM.

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

Weak cpu and your gpu can't make up for what your cpu lacks. I reccomend you get an i5-3570k or i5-4570k and new mobo. You will see a decent performance increase. I have my HTPC with low end components (i5-2320, 8 gigs of ram, amd radeon 7750) and i get 25-55 fps which I am fine with because it is just for when i am sitting in my living room messing around. Your gpu isn't amazingly powerful but it is decent enough.


BTW with my amd test rig (amd fx 6300, 8 gigs of ram, amd radeon 7950) i get 60 fps v-sync locked. This game doesnt hate amd cpus it just doesn't use the extra cores as leverage. IF the game ever adopts AMD mantle you will be able to run the game fine with an amd cpu. Your cpu is just old and crappyish.

Edited by POOTYTANGASAUR, 04 March 2014 - 04:19 PM.

[Brixx]

POOTYTANGASAUR, on 04 March 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Weak cpu and your gpu can't make up for what your cpu lacks. I reccomend you get an i5-3570k or i5-4570k and new mobo. You will see a decent performance increase. I have my HTPC with low end components (i5-2320, 8 gigs of ram, amd radeon 7750) and i get 25-55 fps which I am fine with because it is just for when i am sitting in my living room messing around. Your gpu isn't amazingly powerful but it is decent enough.


BTW with my amd test rig (amd fx 6300, 8 gigs of ram, amd radeon 7950) i get 60 fps v-sync locked. This game doesnt hate amd cpus it just doesn't use the extra cores as leverage. IF the game ever adopts AMD mantle you will be able to run the game fine with an amd cpu. Your cpu is just old and crappyish.

I don't think it lacks that much. It doesn't even use the CPU. 25% load overall over the course of a match? And no problems similar to this in other games? Addtionally, and sorry to burst your bubble, your AMD FX 6300 is faster - no doubt - but not as much as you make it seem.

http://www.overclock...-our-benchmarks

My x6 1075T is closer to to the X6 1100T due to heavy oc'ing than to the older X4 below in the ranking. At least it doesn't justify the drops to around 15FPS, such low load, or that bad performance in general. Its not that far away from the 1100T when it comes from factory, but I have it running at 3,6 Ghz instead of 3,0 Ghz, and I am not referring to any Turbo-Modes.

Edited by Brixx, 05 March 2014 - 02:25 AM.

[Lyff]

I have also heavy fps drop with an i7 3630qm and a gtx 680m, few updates ago I was running the game on ultra around 70/90fps, but now it's 40/50fps with completely random fps drop around 15fps

Edited by Lyff, 05 March 2014 - 02:45 AM.

[Brixx]

I also can't adress cores manually. I had similar problems with a game called "STALKER" some years ago, and adressing cores manually did the job. But despite using an Admin-Account, I have no acess to MW:O via the TaskManager, it also doesn't allow to alter priority...

Here's my TaskManager-Monitor for a match of MW:O:





Core 5 aka 6 is under heavy load, while the rest basically idles around. Core 0 aka 1 is not even used at all. Overall usage is 20%.

MW:O seems to adress my other cores except Core 0, but somehow rather inefficiently. I tested it with other games I have installed, that is Deus Ex: Human Revolution and FarCry 3, and both of them put higher stress on my CPU, but spread the load pretty even - with those games I am at around 60% load spread evenly on the cores.

Edited by Brixx, 05 March 2014 - 03:26 AM.

[Heydiddly]

The problem is, as others have already said, this game is heavily-CPU dependant, but it also can't utilise lots of cores. That means clock speed is much more important than number of cores, and also means that changing most graphics settings make no difference, since they only impact GPU load.

What strikes me as odd though, given all that, is that you get 15 FPS with a 3.6Ghz AMD 6-core, but I get 30-50 FPS with an AMD 4-core at 3.5Ghz. I can also go from lowest to highest settings without seeing any FPS difference at all, like you. Very similar clocks should yield very similar results.

Buggy as it apparently is (I've not had time to play since the patch), I'd suggest trying DX11 as it should offload a lot of CPU work to the GPU, reducing the bottleneck... good luck!

[Brixx]

Heydiddly, on 05 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

The problem is, as others have already said, this game is heavily-CPU dependant, but it also can't utilise lots of cores. That means clock speed is much more important than number of cores, and also means that changing most graphics settings make no difference, since they only impact GPU load.

What strikes me as odd though, given all that, is that you get 15 FPS with a 3.6Ghz AMD 6-core, but I get 30-50 FPS with an AMD 4-core at 3.5Ghz. I can also go from lowest to highest settings without seeing any FPS difference at all, like you. Very similar clocks should yield very similar results.

Buggy as it apparently is (I've not had time to play since the patch), I'd suggest trying DX11 as it should offload a lot of CPU work to the GPU, reducing the bottleneck... good luck!

I already tried that, but performance is about 5-10 FPS lower with DX11 and also dropps to 15FPS. I.e. 25FPS to 15FPS instead of 35FPS to 15FPS. But thx for your hint!

Edited by Brixx, 05 March 2014 - 04:41 AM.

[Heydiddly]

Brixx, on 05 March 2014 - 04:38 AM, said:

I already tried that, but performance is about 5-10 FPS lower with DX11 and also dropps to 15FPS. I.e. 25FPS to 15FPS instead of 35FPS to 15FPS. But thx for your hint!

Hmm, and changing settings makes no difference for that either (MSAA is a very hungry setting)? Very strange if so, sorry I can't be more helpful!

[Brixx]

Heydiddly, on 05 March 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

Hmm, and changing settings makes no difference for that either (MSAA is a very hungry setting)? Very strange if so, sorry I can't be more helpful!

That is what I tried to show with the screenshots in the first post. First two have MSAA deactivated and low settings and low resolution. The other two screenshots have High settings, a higher resolution and MSAA. The FPS have not changed a single bit. But thanks anyway!

Edited by Brixx, 05 March 2014 - 10:14 AM.

[nehebkau]

I am experiencing the same thing. My Frame-rate is hovering around 50 FPS with other player mechs on the screen. If I go to the training grounds my frame-rate is around 170.

Yes, I have done all these and tested afterwards:
Reinstalled the game (cleanly)
Reinstalled the latest versions of my drivers (cleanly)
Installed the latest Beta drivers
Disabled all unnecessary services
Switched the game between DX11 and DX9
Tried multiple in-game settings.
Disabled/enabled Crossfire


This is my system specification:

Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Service Pack 1
System Model: GA-990FXA-UD3
Processor: AMD FX™-8350 8-CORE Processor(8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz
Memory: 32768MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 32750MB RAM
Card 1 name: AMD Radeon R9 290x Series
Display 1 Memory: 3720 MB
Card 2 name: AMD Radeon R9 290x Series
Display 2 Memory: 3720 MB
Hard Disk : Intel DCS3700 SSD (800GB)

Edited by nehebkau, 05 March 2014 - 12:20 PM.

[Brixx]

nehebkau, on 05 March 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

I am experiencing the same thing. My Frame-rate is hovering around 50 FPS with other player mechs on the screen. If I go to the training grounds my frame-rate is around 170.

So, also no changes, no matter what you choose in the menu?

Additionally, I also have a lot higher FPS in training grounds. There it is like 90-120 DEPENDING on the settings. I.e. changes do apply to framerate in training grounds. But yeah, training grounds is one thing.

[nehebkau]

Brixx, on 05 March 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

So, also no changes, no matter what you choose in the menu?

Nope, no changes no matter what I choose.

Seems like I notice a big drop when I look at a mech with the phoenix skins.

Edited by nehebkau, 05 March 2014 - 01:34 PM.

[Odins Fist]

POOTYTANGASAUR, on 04 March 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Weak cpu and your gpu can't make up for what your cpu lacks.

Your cpu is just old and crappyish.

Nah, he's running 3.6GHZ which isn't terrible by any means, just not the best.
His Phenom II x6 is actually a little bit better at single threaded applications then a FX-series chip, clock for clock speed.
His Phenom II x6 1175 should be able to handle MWO at 3.6 GHZ, I would try for 3.8GHZ and see where that takes him, if he can do it.

MWO is not optimized at all for multi core/multi thread capable CPUs.
I have run MWO on a Phenom II x4 965 (a model earler then his) at 3.6GHZ and not seen as bad performance as the OP is describing. Currently i'm running a Phenom II x6 1100 thuban at 4.2GHZ with a GPU that is nowhere near as decent as the OP's, and i'm not having any issues at all. (medium settings DX11)

MWO likes raw CPU clock speed, plain and simple, MWO needs to be optimized badly.
He's also running 1600 MHZ memory, so there shouldn't be an issue there either, unless he didn't set his timings correctly in bios when he put his rig together. FYI, AMD CPUs love tighter (lower) timings, they rely on lower timings for the best performance out of memory more then Intel systems. So maybe he can squeeze a little bit more by checking that.
EXAMPLE: 1600mhz RAM at 9-9-9-24 is not quite as snappy as 1600mhz RAM at 7-8-7-20

I'm not quite sure what to give for advice on this one, I would have to get my hands on it and tweak a few things.
Also when giving advice you have to remember, when you explain something to someone, and then you ask them if they understand and they say "YES", it isn't always the case.. They think they know what you are saying, and because they said they understand you think they know what you are saying, that doesn't mean that they really understand what you are telling them..

EXAMPLE: Telling a friend to do a slight bump on his CPU/NB, and him actually bumping his NB up a tad and smoking his NB then blaming you for the advice that he didn't understand in the first place, but pretended that he did.

Seems like you're not the only person with a 270x series card with an issue..

Project Chaos, on 04 March 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

Read end of post for summary if you don't have the time, or don't care to read the whole thing.

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Okay, so I realize there may be posts out there already asking for help, but I didn't seem to see anything that answered my question, so I decided to post.

I'll make it as short as possible, but first:

My Specs (sorry if my PC isn't the best, it's all I could afford at the time):
CPU: AMD FX 8320 @3.5GHz
GPU: Sapphire R9 270x @ 1070MHz core clock, 1400MHz memory
HDD: 1TB Western Digital 6Gb/s @ 7200RPM
RAM: 8GB @ 1600MHz

My issue is, I am very "noobish" when it comes to graphical settings & performance, so my question is:

Which settings do I adjust to get the best performance, while still looking decently pretty?

I am currently playing on DX11, LOW settings, Vsync off, damage glow on, motion blur off, FOV set to 75-80 (don't remember, but I know it's one of those).

I am getting like average of around 45-50FPS in combat, minimum which happens randomly is like 30ish FPS.

My problem is, the mechs look pretty crappy on low. and I have no idea what settings to change to make it LOOK better, while also keeping performance good.

Any advice would be appreciated greatly, thanks in advance, and happy hunting out there

Too long for you? Summary: How do you tune your graphic settings on MWO, to make it look as pretty as possible, while still getting as much performance as you can

SIDE NOTE: I remember back in closed BETA that the (2) GTX 260-216 core EVGA GPUs I ran actually performed better when they weren't on the lowest settings..

Edited by Odins Fist, 05 March 2014 - 03:54 PM.

[Brixx]

Odins Fist, on 05 March 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Seems like you're not the only person with a 270x series card with an issue..

Thanks for your reply! I did none of the overclocking by myself, I bought it from the shelf of a german manufacturer. They did all the overclocking, I just checked all the information using CPU-Z etc. I do not know enough to fiddle with RAM timing, sadly.

I do not think it is related to the R9 270X though, as I used a Radeon 6950 Pro before and had the same issues.

[That Dawg]

My input:

you make changes, you need to completely shut the game down and restart.

extensive testing in test maps...the ONLY way to make sure the changes you're testing are bad or good, is make one at a time, and shut 'er down/.restart test.
one. at. a. time.
tis a pain, but 30-40 minutes later I'm pleased with the combo of eyecandy and fps i'm getting
screw dx11. I think one of our guys is running it, we all went back to dx9
you can't just change mechanics from dx9 to dx11 without a complete rewrite...dont expect to see this game ever run on more than one core, or proper dx11
see the sig

[Brixx]

ThatDawg, on 06 March 2014 - 04:24 AM, said:

My input:

you make changes, you need to completely shut the game down and restart.

extensive testing in test maps...the ONLY way to make sure the changes you're testing are bad or good, is make one at a time, and shut 'er down/.restart test.
one. at. a. time.
tis a pain, but 30-40 minutes later I'm pleased with the combo of eyecandy and fps i'm getting
screw dx11. I think one of our guys is running it, we all went back to dx9
you can't just change mechanics from dx9 to dx11 without a complete rewrite...dont expect to see this game ever run on more than one core, or proper dx11
see the sig

I did that, i.e. restarts after changing the settings. I know I didn't do that when I took the screenshosts, but by then I already had verified my findings by then and just needed screenshots that worked anyway.

I just did it that way because I do not have these problems on the training grounds and it is just difficult to randomly drop and hope to end up on the same map with similar mechs again. But thanks for your input!

It's just that I am struggling with this problem for months now and I did get the screenshots in a hurry to get the thread posted.

Edited by Brixx, 06 March 2014 - 04:44 AM.

[Odins Fist]

Settings:
Vsync = Off
Motion Blur = Off
Anti Aliasing = Off
Anisotropic Filtering = 2 or 4
Post Processing = Low
Particles = Low

Set everything else to medium or a combination of medium and High. Set to DX-11 and restart client, then make sure all changes have stayed.

Also go into your catalyst control center and turn ambient occlusion = Off, just to see what that does.
On an ATI video card make sure ‘Anti-Aliasing’ and ‘Anisotropic Filtering’ are set to ‘Application Controlled’ in the Catalyst Control Center if you wish to set these settings in the MWO settings tab to on or enabled.
Disabling “Morpological Filtering” in the Catalyst Control Center will usually result in improved framerates. Disabling “ATI Overdrive” may result in increased framerates in some configurations.

I know this has probably been said, but it worked wonders for a friend that was in TS and was not getting what he thought he should for Frames Per Second on Fraps.. He said his increase was around 10 FPS, but I don't know if that was during combat or just standing there, I left after that match.

Edited by Odins Fist, 08 March 2014 - 01:21 PM.

[Summon3r]

have u tried any of this? http://mwomercs.com/...ny-suggestions/

it seems to work absolute miracles for some people.

[DjPush]

I have a GTX770 4GB GPU and an AMD FX8350 CPU with 16GB of DDR3 1600Mhz RAM.

I get the same frame rates as you in both DX9 and DX11. Its not your rig. These guys added some extra eye candy and changed the program some how. I don't have the knowledge to explain what they did but it sucks. There is no reason why my rig shouldn't eat this game for breakfast. Your CPU may bottleneck that GPU but the graphics of this game are not that intense.

Dissapointed