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[Sargon X]

Rhialto, on 16 March 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Why current stats can't serve to reward us with achievements?

My guess is because they hope to encourage people to play more and grind for achievements. If they were to reward retroactive achievements to the players who have been around since the beginning, the system wouldn't be doing anything to motivate those people to play. Of course that assumes that a significant portion of those players actually care about achievements to begin with, which is debatable. I have never been a fan of achievement systems that reward completely arbitrary accomplishments rather than achieving actual game goals.

[Artur Valour]

Good Move, I like the idea of achievements, and my stats aren't great with the older mechs anyway... gives me a chance to improve them.

[Too Much Love]

Sargon X, on 16 March 2014 - 07:22 PM, said:

My guess is because they hope to encourage people to play more and grind for achievements. If they were to reward retroactive achievements to the players who have been around since the beginning, the system wouldn't be doing anything to motivate those people to play. Of course that assumes that a significant portion of those players actually care about achievements to begin with, which is debatable. I have never been a fan of achievement systems that reward completely arbitrary accomplishments rather than achieving actual game goals.

That's true. I can understand that they are trying to maintain interest to the game among old players, but erasing their data is not the best way to do it. It looks more like making people earn what they had earned already, which is just not fair and wrong.

[Deathlike]

drunkblackstar, on 16 March 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

That's true. I can understand that they are trying to maintain interest to the game among old players, but erasing their data is not the best way to do it. It looks more like making people earn what they had earned already, which is just not fair and wrong.

The only way of "doing this" is through some sort of "compromise". Essentially, make the "achievements" easier for the players that have played the game more, but w/o "automagically" giving it to them immediately.

Something like the "win first match" achieve should automatically be given to the veterans of this game. However, winning the "100th match" for someone that has won the 1000th match already should take them 10 matches to win it instead. Basically, "accelerate" the progress of the "already done it crowd". You'll still have to make it "long", but don't make it stupidly hard.

For instance, getting the 10000th achievement win for someone already at that level, they should get a 1000 win headstart (or some arbitrary percentage of their pre-frozen stats). That would at least be "fair" in that sense.

[Davers]

ShinVector, on 16 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

Evil... Pun not intended... Maybe..

Edited: I am in the ELO should have been REST as well group. How are we suppose to get that 10 headshot achievement without some mechs to stand still ?

That achievement will be unlocked by using arty/airstrikes.

[Scott Decoy Stone]

WHO'S READY FOR POWERUPS?!?

the way things are going it's probably not too far off... ugh... "mechassault online"

Edited by Scott Decoy Stone, 16 March 2014 - 10:58 PM.

[Appogee]

Scott Decoy Stone, on 16 March 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Ugh... "mechassault online"

Meanwhile, deep in the heart of the secret PGI skunkworks, a crack team of graphic designers is working tirelessly on the cover art for PGI's next big announcement...

Edited by Appogee, 17 March 2014 - 02:13 AM.

[Brut4ce]

Triordinant, on 16 March 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

This is probably the most important reason for the stat wipe:

http://mwomercs.com/...78#entry3222678

Whoa! quoted the same thing for the 4th time over? really? As if now, the game is rid of all bugs and cannot be exploited to beef up your so called "KDR"? hmmm lets see....

PPC everywhere...ac/5s everywhere...."Ghostly" spiders....Brawlers with SRMs going up against "meta" setups...oooopppss..sorry owned! you cannot do that! So please, if your reasoning for that, is that, stop, 'cause its invalid.

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[Stompa]

...yay...World of Mechwarrior...yay...

[SLAK Ghost]

The missus sends her thanks for curing me of my gaming addiction. I am going to get so much more quality time, now that I don't have to achieve my own statistical challenges.

[Magna Canus]

Grendel408, on 14 March 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

I like that you're finally adding an achievement/awards system for MWO... resetting the stats... that sucks considering the award system I'm creating for my unit is based of current stats from players... please get a historical record of stats up ASAP upon wiping the current statistic data.

We have an internal reward system as well and have been working like mad to get everything settled.

[Rhialto]

I wrote a quick post yesterday just before going to bed when I just learned about the reset and because I never fall asleep in the next 5 minutes, I had plenty of time to think more about this.

I just want to keep my old stats alive, even if this mean less shiny stats than after a wipe now that I mastered most of the chassis. You get what I mean here?

You all remember that when you grind XP on chassis to Elite/Master those you really want, your stats get hurt in the process... we all went there and this is shown in stats. It's part of our history.

Now if they reset, we will get new shiny stats that won't suffer from leveling unoptimized chassis, so all of us Veteran players will look cool with shiny stats, while all new players will have to grind those XP and will get stats that will reflect the hard way of leveling a chassis.

This is also valid for modules, Veterans grinded enough C-Bills to afford a few while new players will suffer from running without any module.

They should STATUS QUO on this then survey the players and not just announce this like 4 days before proceeding. Remember that MWO is out of BETA now! This is my humble opinion.

I would much prefer retroactive rewarding of achievements, even if this mean that on a single day I would get 20 or 40 of those, I'm sure there are still a few I will have to achieve.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

This reads more like "We screwed up in the first place so now we are planning to make a change that may anger some of you, but we should have done this right off the bat anyway and you'll get over it". All I have to say is the agonizingly slow process of trying to make MWO what it should have been at launch continues, glad I didn't hold my breath!

golf clap.....

[Heffay]

I have no problem with the stat wipe, as long as they are archived.

[Caswallon]

agree with Hef

I wish they didn't have to do with it and I further wish I could get "Back credit" for whatever achievements I may qualify for but. If not? *shrug* tis but a game not gonna get stressed over that.

Now if the patch doesn't up performa... no stop it wrong thread for that BS. Lets see what happens then comment on it.

[Davers]

Werewolf486, on 17 March 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

This reads more like "We screwed up in the first place so now we are planning to make a change that may anger some of you, but we should have done this right off the bat anyway and you'll get over it". All I have to say is the agonizingly slow process of trying to make MWO what it should have been at launch continues, glad I didn't hold my breath!

golf clap.....

Doesn't that hold true for consumables, 3PV, limiting group sizes, missile damage, etc ad nauseum?

[Magna Canus]

Hi all,
here my 2 cents; if you were able to legitimately earn your states between CB stat wipe and now, then you can earn them again after this whipe. If not, then you know your old stats lied to you. Either way, the truth will prevail.

Achievements are a nice way to pass the time until CW comes. Yes, we would have all loved to see the work done for achievments going directly into CW, no doubt about that.

For those that just cant live without their previous stats, best would be to screen-cap before the patch and frame when necessary.

[Heffay]

Magnakanus, on 17 March 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

For those that just cant live without their previous stats, best would be to screen-cap before the patch and frame when necessary.

No need to even do that. They will still be available.

[Ngamok]

Fetladral, on 14 March 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

Why all the assumption that there will be rewards? I highly doubt there will be. Most games I've played don't give rewards.

Rewards could be some GXP or some C-Bills once unlocked.

[RetroActive]

Voidsinger, on 15 March 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

I hope so!

And they'd better ruddy well make it retroactive!!!!

Yes?