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[Ngamok]

Vox Scorpus, on 14 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

I've seen achievements in other games and they always seemed kinda silly. As if playing and doing well in the game (winning or otherwise) wasn't an achievement in itself! The achievement should be helping your team - getting a high match score - savior kills (that shows you're really helping a teammate) - or even doing more damage than your average. If you just got your 50th Component Destruction but you died early and had a 25 for a match score should you be happy? Nope. Sounds like you let your team down to me.

And how about fixing the UI 2.0 instead of giving us something we don't need?

Let's take Defiance for example. Their achievements either give a title or an outfit. Some give a reward like a car or a weapon.

[Heffay]

Ngamok, on 17 March 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

Rewards could be some GXP or some C-Bills once unlocked.

There will be rewards; latest NGNG podcast with Russ mentioned forum titles for starters. I think other things may have been mentioned as well, but don't remember all the details.

[Swordlord]

I'll keep my own counsel until we see what the achievements are and how they work. I don't see any need for 'rewards" beyond the achievements themselves, imho. As far as K/D goes, it's a false indicator as it currently works. I've fretted about it recently myself, and realized it's a waste of time. If you're doing decent damage so kills are made, you're spotting & providing target information, and otherwise piloting intelligently, then you're doing your part. K/D isn't bad, but it isn't a true indicator of anything other than being able to get that last, opportune shot into the enemy 'mech.

Edited by Swordlord, 17 March 2014 - 07:05 AM.

[Swordlord]

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I hope so!

And they'd better ruddy well make it retroactive!!!!

RetroActive, on 17 March 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

Yes?

Well played.

[fandre]

I realy dislike the planned statistics reset as well as the upcomming achievements.

[Roadkill]

Triordinant, on 15 March 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here you go:

http://mwomercs.com/...78#entry3222678

Still answers nothing.

In what way do my stats affect you? In what way do your stats affect me?

Answer: they don't. There is no need to reset stats.

Any halfway competent database programmer could implement Achievements in his sleep without resetting existing stats. There is no technical or game-related reason that our stats need to be wiped.

[Roadkill]

Heffay, on 17 March 2014 - 06:39 AM, said:

No need to even do that. They will still be available.

Your opinion of their competence is far more generous than mine.

If they're still going to be available, then why does it take a couple of weeks to make it so? It should all be part of the same patch.

Remember, this is the same company that couldn't even record stats for Skirmish properly when it launched. My bet is that there's going to be some sort of (planned) technical glitch and historical stats will just disappear.

[sabujo]

Heffay, on 17 March 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

There will be rewards; latest NGNG podcast with Russ mentioned forum titles for starters. I think other things may have been mentioned as well, but don't remember all the details.

Yep. It was stated in multiple sources (NGNG, Twitter, and other...). Which does just feed the everlasting need of a single an reliable official channel of communication (like a bloody Blog).

So, the awards will be: C-Bills, GXP and Titles (whatever that is).
Stats will be archived, and that's a fact. No need to shout unnecessarily.



In my opinion, achievements are a necessity in order to increase player base and player retention. It's something that newer generations of gamer enjoy, and it's a mistake to ignore it. More player, more money, better game. However that doesn't invalidate the constant postponing of CW, something I think that should be priority.

[Heffay]

sabujo, on 17 March 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

It's something that newer generations of gamer enjoy

[Roadkill]

Appogee, on 16 March 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure there was a dev blog which said it only changed when there was an unexpected outcome.

The dev blog is wrong. If the system is implemented the way it was explained in the dev blog, it is not an Elo system.

In an Elo system, your rating changes after every match. It just changes less if the outcome of the match was as expected (and more if it was unexpected).

[Ngamok]

Hellen Wheels, on 15 March 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

Can we get an achievement for not achieving achievements?

Ahcheesements.

Sruba4, on 15 March 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

What's the point of reseting stats like K/D ratio ?

If the game had official launch some time ago, isn't it now to late to do it ?

I mean I like my K/D ratio

Do you pick up chicks with it? Since they are archived, you can still see it.

[Ngamok]

Deathlike, on 15 March 2014 - 10:33 PM, said:

AFAIK, when the cadet bonus thing was instituted, PGI has "inserted" said C-bills to the account based on the # of games played.

The thing is, the Cadet Bonus as far as I'm told can be influenced by Premium Time (a free collectible day when you download the game), which would effectively increase the gains further (you could collect 12 million C-bills total instead of 8, if you can grind the 25 matches in the same day). This is a lesser-well known secret.

So... yea... no.

Edit:
I'd like to also mention that the free mech giveaway (Centurion-A Champion + mechbay) did come with bugs.

Yea, I remember getting roughly 9 million C-Bills.

WaKK0, on 15 March 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

Congrats on continuing to show how immature your development team is... Wiping out customer stats because you have a new tracking system/achievement system is one of the worst thing you can do. Take it from an employee that works with tracking usage of customers for specific metering and data for billing and so forth. You're gonna kill yourselves.

Sorry to see how much of my money has been wasted on this company and their inept delivery system. You guys really need to go back to the basics and learn how to develop. You've released this as a full product, its not beta any more. The changes you are delivering are counter productive and destructive to the users.

Good luck.

No and No. It is no fun to keep the stats we have now and log in and receive whatever rewards or titles or whatever it is they are doing on patch day. Also as it has been pointed out numerous times, your stats will be archived.

[Ngamok]

drunkblackstar, on 16 March 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

People, the problem with the stats wipe is it is a lie.

I played my 9 000 games, I have my hard earned KDR (good or bad - but it is truly mine), I made my 9 000 kills. It was a big time for me.

Now, SUDDENLY, somebody comes out and says: "Hello, it's all will be wiped out. Have a good time! Thank you!"

Thank you for letting me know 1 day beforehand!

But - you know what - I don't want my "100 games" and "first 10 kills" achievement anymore. Because it's a lies.

What? If they told you day 1, you wouldn't have played as hard? You would be an AFK farmer because you knew they'd get wiped? What is it? What do you do, go around bragging to people you got 9k games played? You know those stats will still be there? You know you could just combine the old and new numbers and still have all your precious stats there? Really? What are people even complaining about.

If I played 9k games before the wipe and another 9k games after AND I can still see both number since those old ones are archived, I can tell people I played 18k games. What the heck. OMG, stop the presses because they aren't combined into one number, Math Is Hard.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Roadkill, on 17 March 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

In what way do my stats affect you? In what way do your stats affect me?
Answer: they don't. There is no need to reset stats.

I would be more concerned if their stats were more comprehensive. Currently my profile shows about 5,000 games. When I add up all the games played for all my mechs it totals 2440. Half my games haven't been tracked in one way or another.

That being said, I don't see a compelling reason to discard all old data, or "archive" it away from current data. In fact one of my complaints about the current system is that I cannot go to a specific date to look up my player stats. Maybe I wanted to compare performances from tournaments on specific dates, or see if I am getting value out of my premium time.

I found myself speculating about the wipe in the following paragraph, and realized it was just speculation (cost? performance? bad records?). It would be nice if PGI elaborated on why the need for a wipe.

[Deathlike]

Ngamok, on 17 March 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

What? If they told you day 1, you wouldn't have played as hard? You would be an AFK farmer because you knew they'd get wiped? What is it? What do you do, go around bragging to people you got 9k games played? You know those stats will still be there? You know you could just combine the old and new numbers and still have all your precious stats there? Really? What are people even complaining about.

Goals... all done and dead.

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If I played 9k games before the wipe and another 9k games after AND I can still see both number since those old ones are archived, I can tell people I played 18k games. What the heck. OMG, stop the presses because they aren't combined into one number, Math Is Hard.

Shhh... don't give Paul any ideas. You might get "Ghost Achievements" where the "Ghosts of Kerensky" steal your achievements back for making fun of them.

[Sandpit]

Now that you've proven you can do this, add in daily achievements that give out rewards

[Ngamok]

Deathlike, on 17 March 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

Goals... all done and dead.



Shhh... don't give Paul any ideas. You might get "Ghost Achievements" where the "Ghosts of Kerensky" steal your achievements back for making fun of them.

Ghost of Kerensky says: "You didn't log in today, I am stealing 10 kills"
Ghost of Kerensky says: "You died but did 0 damage, that's 5 games played gone"

[Jody Von Jedi]

I just noticed on the Stats page, there is now a drop down on the top right that says "Current". It is inactive for now, but can only assume it will include "Current", "Archived", and hopefully something like "Last Week" or "Last Month".

Jody

[Darth Futuza]

Trying to decide if screenshotting my current stats is something I'm going to even want to remember/keep...

[Corvus Antaka]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 17 March 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

I would be more concerned if their stats were more comprehensive. Currently my profile shows about 5,000 games. When I add up all the games played for all my mechs it totals 2440. Half my games haven't been tracked in one way or another.

That being said, I don't see a compelling reason to discard all old data, or "archive" it away from current data. In fact one of my complaints about the current system is that I cannot go to a specific date to look up my player stats. Maybe I wanted to compare performances from tournaments on specific dates, or see if I am getting value out of my premium time.

I found myself speculating about the wipe in the following paragraph, and realized it was just speculation (cost? performance? bad records?). It would be nice if PGI elaborated on why the need for a wipe.

I agree here. Why not just combine the old stats with the new, and simply have achievments start counting from the new stats?

it's fairly bluntly obvious this reset & achievement system is a psychological experiment to get everyone doing the entire grind over again while we wait for another 6 months to a year for CW and the features we thought we would get within 3 months of the Phoenix pack being released.