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[Deathlike]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 17 March 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

I agree here. Why not just combine the old stats with the new, and simply have achievments start counting from the new stats?

it's fairly bluntly obvious this reset & achievement system is a psychological experiment to get everyone doing the entire grind over again while we wait for another 6 months to a year for CW and the features we thought we would get within 3 months of the Phoenix pack being released.

That's a sad interpretation of the decision. It will turn off some players while this happens... which, at some point this game can't really take much more of.

Edited by Deathlike, 17 March 2014 - 10:39 AM.

[Xtrekker]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 17 March 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

it's fairly bluntly obvious this reset & achievement system is a psychological experiment to get everyone doing the entire grind over again while we wait for another 6 months to a year for CW and the features we thought we would get within 3 months of the Phoenix pack being released.

Damnit, why did you have to go and put that in my head?

I think something like this can go both ways. It can get people to log in and work their stats again, or it can make people feel a bit overwhelmed at the thought of trying to start it all over again from scratch. Like many, I had such a history that a really bad night, or even a week of bad nights, wouldn't impact me too adversely. With the rise of the FOTM meta and my refusal to participate (never bought a Raven, Highlander, etc., and only recently got into Victors since the DS sale), I've seen my ratios slowly decline to finally land at an overall KDR of 1.95 as a 99.9% pugger. I've been trying to get it back over 2.00, but it doesn't look like it's happening. Knowing the recent trend in my stats, I'm not looking forward to leveling out recent purchases. I have a feeling I'll end up dropping in only my best mechs to make sure my stats start off on a good note. Petty, but true.

The grind...the ever-present grind...she's a harsh, will-obliterating mistress.

[Amsro]

I won't be able to complete my previous quest of getting all of my mechs to at least 110 matches before the wipe. It would take a minimum of 6930 matches to achieve that for my 63 mechs, I'm only done 20 of them. With another 15 getting really close, and the rest well into the double digits (typically until the master slot is unlocked). I would be closer to the end if I didn't use 5 of mechs WAAAAY more then I needed to.

Being 5721 matches into this experiment and then getting this stat wipe will make this event a little more complicated. I'll need to make my own spreadsheet later. Not too big a deal I guess.

\thinking out loud

Can't I just get awards for the achievements already completed? Even with the stat reset there is no chance I will be mastering anymore chassis. I'm sure there are some achievements from the "grind" that I will inherently miss out on.

Edited by Amsro, 17 March 2014 - 11:10 AM.

[Ngamok]

Amsro, on 17 March 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

I won't be able to complete my previous quest of getting all of my mechs to at least 110 matches before the wipse. It would take a minimum of 6930 matches to achieve that for my 63 mechs, I'm only done 20 of them. With another 15 getting really close, and the rest well into the double digits (typically until the master slot is unlocked). I would be closer to the end if I didn't use 5 of mechs WAAAAY more then I needed to.

Being 5721 matches into this experiment and then getting this stat wipe will make this event a little more complicated. I'll need to make my own spreadsheet later. Not too big a deal I guess.

\thinking out loud

Can't I just get awards for the achievements already completed? Even with the stat reset there is no chance I will be mastering anymore chassis. I'm sure there are some achievements from the "grind" that I will inherently miss out on.

It's already there and done and archived. Why does it have to show on the new stats page? Take a screen shot. Save it in 10 places so you never lose it.

[BlackDrakon]

Reset ELO!!, will be a blast for puggin

[Vestulance]

Ok, One valid question here if the old ELO system was based off the KDR system, how will the New Achievement system Mesh if its based off something totally different ?

[Enigmos]

How, in a team game, can a team player think there is such a thing as a 'kill steal'?

That isn't thinking like a teammate, it is thinking like a glory boy.

[Jody Von Jedi]

You know, with the drop down selector I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be too difficult to add a selection that would combine all stats. They could have, "Current", "Archived", "Total", "Last Week", "Last Month", etc.

Jody

[Amsro]

Ngamok, on 17 March 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

It's already there and done and archived. Why does it have to show on the new stats page? Take a screen shot. Save it in 10 places so you never lose it.

Checks my post, yep no idea where I said it should show on the "new stat page".

Wrong quote button perhaps. I'm still of the opinion that the stat wipe/reset doesn't have any real game effect, just a bit of a hassle for those of use that were using them to compare mechs. You can be sure at least %50 of my "new mech stats" will be Zero, this will not make me replay all of my chassis, and some people no longer even OWN those mechs.

Odd idea, the stat wipe should have been at launch. IMO. *shrugs*. Oh well.

[Rhialto]

Sometimes I wish this was announced for April 1st... I could have hope it's a joke.

[Enigmos]

Just one more point. If you are trying to plot out your optimal weaponry based on your marksmanship and usage, the stats from since launch overwhelm the stats from the recent and not-so-recent weapon changes. How are you going to reconcile your stats for Gauss, as one example.

I'm even more surprised by the gripes I read from Founders who, like me, must have over ten thousand matches played. To nudge my K/D or W/L a percentage point means playing a prodigious number of matches.

The old numbers will be archived. I'd kinda like seeing where I stand now, not then.

[Jody Von Jedi]

Vestulance, on 17 March 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Ok, One valid question here if the old ELO system was based off the KDR system, how will the New Achievement system Mesh if its based off something totally different ?

Elo is based off Win/Loss, not Kill/Death. Elo is not changing.

The only thing that's being reset is the current "Stats". We will receive rewards based off the "Current" stats beginning tomorrow.

What you have accumulated in GXP, XP, Cbills, and MC remain.

Jody

[Rhialto]

Jody Von Jedi, on 17 March 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

You know, with the drop down selector I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be too difficult to add a selection that would combine all stats. They could have, "Current", "Archived", "Total", "Last Week", "Last Month", etc.

Currently there is only:

<option value="c">CURRENT</option>
<option value="a">ARCHIVED</option>

Let's hope they will add a lot more later...

[Deathlike]

Rhialto, on 17 March 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Currently there is only:

<option value="c">CURRENT</option>
<option value="a">ARCHIVED</option>

Let's hope they will add a lot more later...

Soon™.

Although, the frequently requested breakdown stats (per battle stats, weapon usage, efficiency)... stuff that is useful for measuring your own progress in the game, is simply not there.

[Ngamok]

Amsro, on 17 March 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Checks my post, yep no idea where I said it should show on the "new stat page".

Wrong quote button perhaps. I'm still of the opinion that the stat wipe/reset doesn't have any real game effect, just a bit of a hassle for those of use that were using them to compare mechs. You can be sure at least %50 of my "new mech stats" will be Zero, this will not make me replay all of my chassis, and some people no longer even OWN those mechs.

Odd idea, the stat wipe should have been at launch. IMO. *shrugs*. Oh well.

What I am saying is, yes, some of your new mech stats will be zero if you never play them again. But the old mech stats will still be available to look at to compare. Those old stats won't ever change so if you run that mech with the new system and want to get a look at it in total, you'll have to do the math on your own with the old and new.

OriginalTibs, on 17 March 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Just one more point. If you are trying to plot out your optimal weaponry based on your marksmanship and usage, the stats from since launch overwhelm the stats from the recent and not-so-recent weapon changes. How are you going to reconcile your stats for Gauss, as one example.

I'm even more surprised by the gripes I read from Founders who, like me, must have over ten thousand matches played. To nudge my K/D or W/L a percentage point means playing a prodigious number of matches.

The old numbers will be archived. I'd kinda like seeing where I stand now, not then.

Yes, I understand. But if you were really hard core about stats, you could easily just add the old and the new and get your new number. It doesn't even take very much time. Is it a slight inconvenience? Sure. Is it impossible to do and take up half you life? No.

[Xeno Phalcon]

OriginalTibs, on 17 March 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

How, in a team game, can a team player think there is such a thing as a 'kill steal'?

That isn't thinking like a teammate, it is thinking like a glory boy.

The events of the recent Medium Vs the World tourny are laughing at you.

[IIIuminaughty]

Wish there was a way to see what my ELO was, or is there? I haven't found it

[Amsro]

Ngamok, on 17 March 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Agreed

Yeah the stat wipe will have no real effect, but I will likely miss out on a lot of achievements due to not leveling all the mechs I have already done.

Again not a huge deal to me, but odd that your prize for playing this game for the past year + since last stat wipe is another stat wipe. Why not just accrue Achievements for things you have already done.

Like Master 50 mechs, or play 100 matchs in every variant of a chassis.

Seems like a mind game more then anything else, a try to get you to grind the same mechs another 100 matches. Maybe I'm way off the mark, just seems obtuse.

If it was when CW was released I would understand it more.

[Jody Von Jedi]

StrataDragoon, on 17 March 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Wish there was a way to see what my ELO was, or is there? I haven't found it

No, way to see. No one knows what their ELO is unless they have inside information from PGI. Some claim to know they are "high" ELO, but they are either guessing or just plain old arrogant.

[Roadbeer]

Xeno Phalcon, on 17 March 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

The events of the recent Medium Vs the World tourny are laughing at you.

Plus with the new hoops they'll be putting in to make grouping even less fun, and being forced into the PUG queue, where is my incentive to work as a 'team'?
Might as well just wait for half of them to derp into the PUGZAPPER, and clean up afterwards, or maneuver between them so I can get the PUG queue double whammy of not only being able to steal the kill, but yell at my team for putting rounds into my back.