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[FlareHeart Devalis]

I believe what you are looking for is Clan Wolverine

Beyond this, I'm not sure what other information is out there.

Edited by FlareHeart, 18 March 2014 - 06:36 AM.

[Avimimus]

Only Clan Wolverine knows the true story. All else is lost to dust and the rewriting of history...

[Craig Steele]

Marack Drock, on 18 March 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

Hi all.

As all of you know I suck at BT lore. I have been doing as much research as possible on the Not Named Clan so I can try and figure out what happened.

Sarna gives 2 conflicting reports-

1. The Not Named rejected Nicolas Kerensky's teachings and destroyed one of Clan Snow Raven's genetic repositories.

2. That the Clans were having internal strife and war and so Nicolas needed a way to show them he was in charge and then he annihilated them. Also his brother's (Andrew Kerensky's) death, Sarah McEvedy suspected was Nicolas' fault and they were apparently close to each other.

Does anyone know the true story (Sarna says it has never been released).

Well its a long and convulated stroy, I'll try and be succinct.

The wolverines didn't like Nicholas's dictatorship style of things, they wanted Clan society to be more deomcractic.

They weren't alone, they had a lot of supporters, canon is not specific but the votes look to be around 16 to 24 in terms of the division in Clan Council, wiht Nicholas leading ofc.

The Wolverines and Snow Ravens had a dispute over a Brian Cache, and during the discussions subsequently Sarah McEvedy (Wolverines Khan) insulted Nicholas.

At that, all she alliances collapsed (apparently) and stuff kinda spun out of control. WMD were used and eventually the Wolverines were determined unfit to live. Nicholas ordered a vote and the Clan was slated for annihilation.

Clan Wolf did the deed, wiping out the Wolverines although allegations are that some survived.

The now infamous Minessota Tribe, so named as the bore an emblem of the old terran state in USA appeared in the Inner Sphere shortly after this. By co incidence, this symbol was also the unit patch of a unit associated with Clan Wolverine.

The minnesota tribe disappear as quickly as they come and there is no record or interaction with them for hundreds of years.

They appear much later in the time line as allies of the Word of Blake, and they are confirmed as the descendants of the Wolverines and they provided technology to WoB for them to do what they did in the Jihad. etc.

Sarna is a good place to start but horribly unrealiable, Operation Klondike Source book spells out most of the foundation stuff, Jihad and Dark Ages is basically the later stuff.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Everytime I try to make a reply it adds it to the same post. Marack say something to break the chain please.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 18 March 2014 - 07:09 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Should be noted that Wolverine blood was never confirmed in anyone Clan Ghost Bear tested - and they tested the corpses of every WoB they killed. Wolverine being involved is then more rumor and possibly in universe propaganda used to get the Ghost Bears off their fuzzy asses and into the war.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Thanks for breaking the chain Pariah. I owe you one.



Ok this thing keeps chaining my posts together in one big post. Once I post something, I need someone to add a reply to break the chain please.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 18 March 2014 - 07:14 AM.

[Vincent V. Kerensky]

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Well....

The not-named....

They....

The Not-Named and Snow Ravens....

This is quite a generalisation of what happened but yes, it is fairly accurate.

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....Many Clans were suffering internal strife at the time of the Not-Named Clan incident, and Nicholas saw that the Clans as a whole were on the brink of rebelling against his authority. The Not-Named Clan served as both object lesson and common enemy against whom the other nineteen Clans could unite. There were also personal reasons for dissent between Khan Sarah McEvedy and Nicholas Kerensky - McEvedy was close to Nicholas' brother Andery Kerensky and suspected that Nicholas played a strong role in his death....

Source: http://www.sarna.net.../Clan_Wolverine

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At that, all she alliances collapsed (apparently) and stuff kinda spun out of control. WMD were used and eventually the Not-Named were determined unfit to live. Nicholas ordered a vote and the Clan was slated for annihilation.

The ilKhan made use of the Not-Named Clan as a means to an end. There were a lot of internal and external instability within the Clans at this point and he saw that by uniting the Clans against the Not-Named, stability could be restored.

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They appear much later in the time line as allies of the Word of Blake, and they are confirmed as the descendants of the No-Named and they provided technology to WoB for them to do what they did in the Jihad. etc.

I would love to see a source on this because I do not believe this is correct.

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...Despite a lack of any solid proof and large question marks as to its providence, Chandrasekhar Kurita and Devlin Stone would pass this document to Clan Ghost Bear in 3074, taking the Bears by complete surprise. While previously staying aloof from the maelstrom of the Jihad, the apparent revelation that their most sworn enemy were the driving force behind the Word of Blake prompted them to plunge full-force into the conflict. Despite Ghost Bear scientists genetically testing the remains of every Blakist defeated to try and authenticate the report, no conclusive evidence was ever found linking the Word of Blake to the Not-Named Clan. [10]....

Source: http://www.sarna.net.../Clan_Wolverine
The Wars of Reaving, pp. 173-174 "Founder's Future - Clan Ghost Bear"

EDIT 1: Got rid of that name....
EDIT 2: Typo.

Edited by Vincent V Kerensky, 18 March 2014 - 07:18 AM.

[Craig Steele]

Pariah Devalis, on 18 March 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Should be noted that Wolverine blood was never confirmed in anyone Clan Ghost Bear tested - and they tested the corpses of every WoB they killed. Wolverine being involved is then more rumor and possibly in universe propaganda used to get the Ghost Bears off their fuzzy asses and into the war.

This is correct, idk why I forgot that. The WoB allies are represented as (and may have been) but there was no evidence found.

Would have been funny right, it was Ghost bear that watched them leave Clan space (alledgly), and they got to land the final blow anyway. Irony?

[Jaroth Corbett]

Thanks Vincent.

[Pariah Devalis]

Hilarious. And ironic to a lesser degree that Clan Nova Cat, which was chomping at the bits to get into a fight, were actually proponents of leniency towards the Wolverines at the time. If there were Wolvies there, it is ironic that CNC was eager to kill them off even if it was totally accidentally.

[Jaroth Corbett]

[Jaroth Corbett]

Marack Drock, on 18 March 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

I have been doing as much research as possible on the Not Named Clan so I can try and figure out what happened.

Does anyone know the true story (Sarna says it has never been released).

I will give you everything that happened.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 18 March 2014 - 07:49 AM.

[C0VVB3LL]

Clan Wolverine

The democratic Wolverines were Annihilated early in the history of the Clans, in an incident stemming from a disputed Brian Cache. Khan Sarah McEvedy's father had commanded the 331st Royal BattleMech Division of Terra, whose 'mechs were in the cache, and felt that she was entitled to them. The Council instead awarded them to the Widowmakers. After being defeated in a Trial of Refusal, the Wolverines were publicly censured when they attempted to seize the cache anyway. Directly challenging the justice of the decision in a Council session, the Wolverines quickly escalated to a personal challenge to the authority of Nicholas Kerensky himself, and then seceded from the clans altogether. During the early fighting, they used a nuclear weapon to destroy a Snow Raven genetic repository. In response, the council voted to Annihilate them.

After a bad conflict between the Widowmakers and the Wolves for the honor of conducting the Annihilation, the Wolves won. The Wolverines, who had apparently been preparing for a third Exodus for some time, attempted to escape from clan space altogether, while the Wolves pursued. The Wolves lost most of their attacking force, but the Wolverines were destroyed altogether, with saKhan Hallis killed by Kerensky himself. All buildings belonging to the Wolverines were destroyed, warriors (of any clan) with Wolverine DNA were executed, and Wolverine civilians were forcibly sterilized.

Minnesota Tribe

The Minnesota Tribe is a semi-mythical entity that may be the remnants of the Annihilated Clan Wolverine that raid sites in the Inner Sphere for necessities. The fact that many of Wolverine's civilians and second-line troops were unaccounted for after its annihilation is considered suggestive. The Clan Wolverine insignia has also been sighted on the raiding group's 'Mechs. Minnesota Tribe has appeared only a handful of times in the Inner Sphere and is believed to reside beyond the Periphery.

A partially decoded message from an unknown source suggests that the remnants of Clan Wolverine had joined to Comstar, indicating that the Explorer Corps vessel Outbound Light had not discovered the Clan Homeworlds by accident, and that the Wolverines had a hand in the World of Blake Jihad. At this time, the veracity of this message has yet to be determined.[6]

[Jaroth Corbett]

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 18 March 2014 - 07:51 AM.

[C0VVB3LL]

[WARNING NON-LORE FICTION]

In 3020, long after having settled into the Haven system the Wolverine Kahn
and the Wolverine warrior council learned of the Dragoon Compromise. A plan by the Clan council whereby they sent a substantial force of Wolf clan warriors to scout as mercenaries, before the clans as a whole would begin their invasion of the innersphere. After hearty debate and a vote they decided that while the Wolves are spying in the innersphere, the Wolverines should have eyes on the eyes of the Wolves. A unit from the 34th Reserve Guard Galaxy, The 55th Strike Cluster, was selected. It was the reasoning of the council that the reserve guard galaxy clusters, being almost entirely composed of freebirth warriors, would "blend in" better with the contraction using barbarians in the innersphere. Commanding this cluster was a bloodnamed freebirth named Star Colonel Ehud Hennessy.
The 55th needed a cover before they departed for the innersphere, the Wolverine crest and the strike cluster identification would leave the Dragoons little doubt of their origins. The new identity was to be based on their actions during the escape from clan space, where they raided several of the other clans supply caches. At one point they were thought to have been destroyed while raiding in Ghost Bear territory. Having not arrived at the jump point in the specified time window the flotilla was forced to count them as a loss and began jumping to the next system. But as the last ship was only minutes from jumping, the first of three jumpships bearing the 55th Strike Cluster folded space upon itself and materialized in time to be relayed the next jump coordinates. After their sister ships jumped in, their drives recharged, and the sails tediously stowed, they tore through the fabric of space again and were reunited with the rest of the wolverine refugees. Because of their belated rendezvous after believed lost to the Ghost Bear, having returned mostly intact, and successful with a surplus of the much needed supplies, the 55th were considered for a line in the Wolverine remembrance. The lines were not added by the Loremaster [Insert Name] however, he stated in the warrior council that "Since the 55th Commander had not issued a formal Batchall before his raids his actions were neither honorable nor clan like enough to merit inclusion. These lines were echoed though in the new identity bestowed upon the 55th before their odyssey. Instead of the default Wolverine clan crest that most other reserve units bore the 55th was given a new standard. The orange sun of Circe hung in the background crossed with red wolverine claw marks behind a white phoenix symbolizing the triumphant return of the Raiders from the cold white death of the Ghost Bear dominion. In the foreground, the black "55" over the phoenix identified the unit as the 55th Strike cluster... or as the name of their new mercenary corporation "The 55th Northern Raiders".
The 55th was given carefully chosen equipment in keeping with the most common innersphere designs. Many designs observed while raiding several innersphere planets during the exodus from clanspace. The command lance and a handful of other mechs however were refitted with star league and clan tech in as inconspicuous a way as possible. The [insert name] a [insert class] class warship was disguised as a Starlord class jumpship and renamed "The Whirlwind". The conversion gave the warship three functional docking collars while the other 3 collars typically on a Star Lord ship contained naval ppc and laser batteries. Attached to the three functional collars were two Union class dropships the Stanley, Logan, and a Fortress class dropship the Retribution. The stars and trinaries were reorganized into lances and companies as was the norm among sphereoid military units. Star Colonel Hennessy took on the innersphere rank of Colonel and his subordinates likewise were assigned equivalent Innersphere ranks.
They were accompanied by the descendants of the political prisoners (freed during the raiding of Combine worlds) who would pose as a group of Draconis Combine merchants. The merchants were selected based on strong features prevalent in the combine. As well as an understanding of combine and sphereoid culture passed to them be their parents. The merchants were assigned the Invader class "To Seek and Find" which was renamed "heiho" to reflect its combine heritage, and three dropships a mammoth, union, and a mule class cargo carrier. The Raiders first "contract" was to escort the merchants along trade routes throughout the innersphere, trade routes which strategically paralleled the paths to the contracts that the Dragoons had accepted.
In 3028 after years in the Combine, monitoring the Dragoons on an lengthy contract to house Kurita, a large continent of the merchants announced that they had become attached to the inhabitants and the world of An Ting. The merchants feeling a connection to their parent’s culture wished to be left on planet to start new lives as citizens of the Draconis Combine. A meeting with a heated argument took place and after hours of deadlock Colonel Hennessey reluctantly agreed to compromise and left the merchants as they had wished. He took with him the Jumpship, Dropship, their respective crews, as well as any techs, support personnel, or civilians not wishing to be marooned on An Ting. In return the merchants issued a slightly embellished, contract fulfillment report to Comstars "Mercenary review board". This helped the 55th obtain a High rating and freedom of choice contracts that would conveniently keep them in relative proximity to the Wolf's Dragoons.
Due to their comstar rating after several successful contracts and a growing positive reputation, in 3034 the 55th was invited to register on outreach with the Dragoons new hiring hall. While apprehensive at first Colonel Hennessey ordered a liaison officer to the Wolves lair to register the Raiders and establish an office on Outreach. The office not only facilitated more lucrative contracts to the 55th but allowed for more accurate and direct intel on the Dragoons operation. After a year the Colonel felt comfortable enough to move the whole unit to Outreach where they could get better training and repairs then they were afforded on other planets. They had to be careful to conceal their limited star league and clan tech from the skilled Dragoon technicians though. The 55th continued their cover as mercenaries and had even taken a few contracts underwritten by Jaime Wolf himself. By making good on these contracts they developed a good working relationship and strange sort of mutual admiration for the skillful Dragoons. All the while working, fighting, and training under the gaze of the Wolf.
In 3062, with the alliance between the Wolverines and Comstar complete, and in the spirit of full disclosure the Primus identified the vessel that jumped into and out of the Haven system in 2828 as an early Comstar precursor to the Explorer Corps program officially started in 2959. Kahn Charikov returned the gesture by identifying, to the surprise of the Primus and Precentor Martial, that The 55th Northern Raiders as well as several lesser mercenary companies scattered about the innersphere and periphery were in fact Wolverines conducting reconnaissance. Shortly thereafter Kahn Charikov contacted Colonel Hennessy with instructions to return to Haven, his only request was to leave those few who wished to stay in the innersphere after 42 years and to complete their current contract with honor.
With the proverbial "Wolverine out of the bag" it was only a matter of time before the Dragoons got word of the subversion. After the completion of their last contract, one to the Federated Suns, that very thing happened. Colonel Hennessey was overseeing the loading of last of the dropships when he was approached from behind by an elderly man who clasped his hands behind his back in typical military fashion. "Colonel Hennessey" Ehud turned startled when the man spoke, Unaware of his presence. "Colonel Wolf! How are you today Sir." "Concerned Ehud, you and I have unfinished business" he replied sharply. Taking a moment to collect his thoughts and process the implied hostility in Wolfs voice, a voice he had heard many times before on very pleasant, cordial, even friendly terms. "I have been assured that all paperwork has been submitted, our last contract satisfactorily fulfilled, and any debts paid Colonel. In fact I was actually planning on visiting you before we departed to let you know that The Northern Raiders... that I have appreciated your hospitality during our stay on Outreach and ". Jaime Wolf held up his hand to cut off Ehud mid sentence. "I am sorry Star Colonel. Not you and I necessarily, but the Wolves" Jaime paused "and the Wolverines have unfinished business" Ehuds blood ran cold. His body subconsciously snapped to rigid attention. "So the rumors of McEvety's Wolverines escape were true, I'll be damned" Ehud tensed stomach suddenly queasy while locked at attention feeling much like he did in the days just after he left the sibko and entered warrior training. Terrified and confused before his new instructor with fire and malice in their eyes toward him. "Your eyes are very telling you know Ehud, I can see the well hidden truth in them now. Truth I suspected was there long ago on An Ting" Hennessy mentally prepared himself for what would come next, a challenge, a trial, or worse. Wolf was about 20 years his senior but no less capable a warrior and his Archer was not at a disadvantage to Ehuds Marauder. Wolf brought his right hand from behind him and simply extended it, open to Ehud "It took the Warden Wolves over 200 years to realize what the wolverines knew at the time the annihilation was executed." Ehud grasped and shook Wolfs hand. "All it took was some time with the people in the innershere for some of us, and a failed invasion for others to see that the people here need us almost as much as we need them" Wolf finished. "I wish the Dragoons peace Jaime, and if peace evades you honor." Wolf smiled "I wish the same for The 55th Ehud, as the old adage goes, No one prays for peace like the soldier" Releasing Wolfs hand and saluting, Colonel Hennessey Smiled. Colonel Wolf returned the salute and smoothly turned about face to walk away hands clasped behind his back.
It was only after jumping back into the Haven system that The Raiders learned of Kahn Wards treachery and of the battle that the Wolves and other clans had brought to haven. The 55th reintegrated into the Wolverine tauman and Colonel Hennessy maintains command of the newly commissioned 55th Raiders cluster.

Edited by C0VVB3LL, 22 September 2014 - 09:08 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Why would you post fiction here when the guy is trying to find out what actually happened?

[Kael Posavatz]

The foundations and fate of the not-named clan are shrouded in rumor and mystery.

Some of this is deliberate by the Creators to represent the long interval between 'then' and 'now'. Some of it no doubt reflects the efforts of the winners to...manage history. And probably there is a good number of writers and game developers who want to keep the not-named in the back of everyone's mind for possible future use.

Officially (that is, the Clans' official version), the not-named espoused chalcas ideals like democracy and liberty, that culminated in their Khan spouting personal insults at the Founder in the Grand Council Chamber, which resulted in the first Trial of Annihilation against the not-named.

As with any good mystery there are different versions of events.

An 'unofficial' explanation is that there was a great deal of discontent in the Clans, and the not-named served Nicholas as both objective example and a unifying cause.

There are some who hold that the Snow Ravens manipulated events--it was their territory the original cache of 331st Royal BattleMech Division gear was found on--because of animosity that stemmed from events during Operation Klondike, which in turn supposedly came from unreturned feelings between senior members of both clans.

Another that pops up occasionally was that Clan Widowmaker was manipulating events to put Cla Wolf (whom they hated) in a bind. And that it was a SpecOps team from that clan who nuked the Snow Raven's genetic repository in the hope of driving Clan Wolf into reckless rage and make the not-named grow increasingly desperate, and thus driving up the cost in warriors and battlemechs that Clan Wolf would have to pay.

Nicholas Kerensky's new society was very much a work in progress. New rites and rituals were added over tme as stuations called or them. Notably the reaving of a bloodname did not occur until the attempted assassination of JnniferWinson, and Surkai was not introduced until after all combat operations during Operation Klondike had been concluded. In any such sociological experiment time would have been the key factor. That is, it needs to keep going long enough for peoples' thinking to change to the point where accepting the status quo is easier than fomenting more disharmony. Thomas Jefferson noted in the American Declaration of Independence that "mankind are more disposed to suffer, while such evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed". Wolves have been known to chew off their own leg to free themselves from a trap, and it is certainly possible that he saw sacrificing the not-named to be much the same versus the possible collapse of the Clans back into the anarchy that proceeded the Second Exodus.

And then there are the stories Betrayal of Ideals and Fall from Glory which both put very different lights on the 'accepted' reasoning for the not-named.

After the Trial of Annihilation there was very much some ass-covering going on amongst the Clans. Not all the warriors (mostly second-line troops) and civilians were accounted for. Clan Wolf put this up to bad book-keeping. Clan Ghost Bear knew that some had gotten away, but then said nothing.

The Minnesota Tribe, the Blake Documents, all of these are simply more grist for the rumor mill of "what really happened?"

[C0VVB3LL]

Jaroth Corbett, on 18 March 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

Why would you post fiction here when the guy is trying to find out what actually happened?

Thought you guys might enjoy it since you seemed interested in "the unnamed clan" stuff. Since there is no solid, "this is what happened to them", I made this up.
I really kind of put my self out there. Hope you read and liked some of it.

Edited by C0VVB3LL, 22 September 2014 - 09:10 AM.

[Fyrwulf]

It's come out that the Ravens actually nuked their own repository. I used to think of the Ravens as extraordinary pilots but basically harmless, but now I think of them as Inglorious ********.

[Jaroth Corbett]

That is one side of the story. It does not mean it is the right one.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 18 March 2014 - 01:34 PM.