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[Jun Watarase]

>one of the players on our team is in a poptart and is capping a point, i always see him in poptarts and sync dropping, not sure why he's not sync dropping today
>enemy poptart is moving towards him, announce it
>our poptart keeps failing to lock him for more than 1 second, i had LRMs and could have provided support fire
>our poptart dies

Proof that using metabuilds is no definition of actual skill....

[Cactus In The Rear]

The enemy team had 5 ECM mechs to our 1 and both teams were LRM heavy.

Spoiler

PGI lost that match for us,not me.

Edited by Xanilos, 26 May 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[Cactus In The Rear]

I think this is the worst I've ever seen the game,and I've been around longer than ghost heat.

Played about 8-10 matches all losses,6 artillery strikes from one side in one match,more LRMs than when they first got uber-buffed,and teams that cored me from the rear doing more damage than the enemy.

At this point a hula girl is not worth the pugging.

[GrandLocomon]

I see your 5x ECM vs 1x ECM match and raise you 6x ECM and 0x ECM. We won, so meh, screw their DDC lance lol (plus ECM spider and raven 3L). My whine relates to my loss of ballistics hit detection a few patches back. Isn't fixed, probably never will be. Streaks are all I have. QQ. I want to PewPew (ok, lasers NEVER worked) and DakkaDakka again!
You know why there isn't an equivalent epithet for missiles? Because playing missiles is boring!

[Jon Gotham]

draiocht, on 25 May 2014 - 06:16 AM, said:

Uhm, which part? (Or was that sarcastic?) I was wondering if loopala was being sarcastic, but guessed this morning he might not know... considering how the announcement updates had turned into a mess.

Anyway, we're referring to how hovering the mouse over the "Play Now" button pops up a chart suggesting "For shorter wait times use LIGHT 'Mechs", or sometimes "...MEDIUM 'Mechs".

No mate, not being sarcastic, justa little slow on the uptake on the following:

"What's actually happening is that your Elo for your medium mechs is closer to the average Elo of the queue than your heavy or assault Elo is."

Sorry, probably being REALLY dense but I'm not sure I understand this bit?


Oh Kjudoon, I see that kind of behaviour so often....


Raised, exposed area? check!
Can get shot from multiple directions? Check!
Poor escape options? Check!
Excellent line of retreat for enemy? check!
Poor angles of attack for your indirect fire support? Check!

LET'S GO THAR!!!!!!! *drools slowly onto the floor*

Edited by kamiko kross, 26 May 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[draiocht]

kamiko kross, on 26 May 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

No mate, not being sarcastic, justa little slow on the uptake on the following:

"What's actually happening is that your Elo for your medium mechs is closer to the average Elo of the queue than your heavy or assault Elo is."

Oh, yeah, that's sort of the mathy technical thing. There's several threads in the depths of the forums about that, but to summarize here (as I understand it): Each of your mech categories has an "Elo" score telling the matchmaker how well you're doing, rising if your team wins against top players and dropping if your team loses against noobs. So, each player has 4 Elo scores: Light, Medium, Heavy, and Assault. You choose a mech and go searching for a match. If your Elo for that mech's category is close to everybody else waiting for a match, then the matchmaker can put together a team quickly for you. If that Elo is far away from that average, the matchmaker is less likely to instantly have 23 other players of close Elo to make a quick match.

Note, I'm assuming here that the majority of players waiting for a match is usually a cluster of at least 23 and have similar Elo scores, with a bell curve of less players who have good and bad Elo scores (which isn't necessarily the case).

For loopala, his low wait-times for his YLW suggests he has a relatively average Elo for his medium category (relative to most others who are playing at the time, bad or good). Assumably, he performs earth-shatteringly awesome or tear-drippingly embarrassing in his heavies and assaults (or possibly more accurately, has gotten lucky or unlucky teams while in heavies and assaults) which could put his Elo for those categories far away from the matchmaker queue average.

It gets kind of complex when to guess if the queue average is (not necessarily) the global average. Whether or not the online players actually have a bell curve to their Elo distribution. Long wait-times causes high or low Elo scores to be matched equivalent to a middle Elo score. Et cetera. This is kind of wordy and could've easily been more wordy.

[Jon Gotham]

Ah thanks! I get it now:) I'm either REALLY bad or REALLY good then.....*gulp*

[Alaskan Nobody]

kamiko kross, on 26 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ah thanks! I get it now:) I'm either REALLY bad or REALLY good then.....*gulp*

Or you have awkward timing.

There are times I wait for a match to show up (alt-tab into the forums....)

Next drop (or more frequently - wait a minute before trying - which tends to result in quicker averages) in the same chassis - instant drop.

[draiocht]

Haha! Or the weirdly inverted case where you're an okay player, but there's somehow only noobs and gods online. (Or there isn't 23 players waiting for a game within a minute. We're not given numbers of online players, but it actually requires quite a lot of players to keep the queue active.)

[Jon Gotham]

I must be low ELO as I'm getting excrutiatingly bad team mates tonight.
Very unenjoyable games.

[Cactus In The Rear]

I think its the holiday. I've been getting the same (as you can tell by my rage-filled posts).

As for a whine I come home after being out all day and check the meme thread. NO NEW POSTS!

Edited by Xanilos, 26 May 2014 - 01:08 PM.

[draiocht]

Shar Wolf, on 26 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Or you have awkward timing.

A graph of the queue would be like a sawtooth wave. It'd suck to keep clicking on the valleys. (math is fun!)

kamiko kross, on 26 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

I must be low ELO as I'm getting excrutiatingly bad team mates tonight.

There's also the issue that MWO's Elo is only very loosely related to individual skill. (Or sometimes some players are excellent at one strategy, but terrible at another. Etc.)

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Very unenjoyable games.

Well, then there's that. I got about 15% okay games and only 5% truly fun games when I kept count last week. For me, that measly 5% is still good enough for now.

[GLIZZY GULPER]

Went to download drivers from nVidia website to see if it'll help my performance in MWO.

Realized that this laptop has an AMD card.

Edited by Tal Ravis, 26 May 2014 - 03:38 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

draiocht, on 26 May 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Well, then there's that. I got about 15% okay games and only 5% truly fun games when I kept count last week. For me, that measly 5% is still good enough for now.

I'm glad it is, for me it's frustrating beyond belief. I don't have to win-I just want a good game.
Being spammed with lrms every match, being outweighed every match, being out camped and out arty/airstrike spammed.......ugh......

My fun comes from light mechs now. I gave up on mediums fully earlier. Too many overweight mechs floating about to truly enjoy them. At least in a light I'm not so reliant on other people:)

[Jun Watarase]

>team is in the tunnel on crimson strait
>tell them not to bottleneck and charge
>they ignore me
>they camp inside the tunnel
>meanwhile we are losing points
>i go out of the tunnel via another exit with another mech and try to flank the enemy mechs guarding the tunnel exit
>i take down a battlemaster
>full hp enemy jager boating ballistics shows up in my face
>i barely manage to out dps him, am almost dead though
>the friendly mech that exited the tunnel with me is suddenly nowhere to be seen
>my team is still inside the tunnel, refusing to support me even though they know im right outside fighting
>die and spectate them
>they are just standing still in the tunnel, not even moving, not firing or anything, just standing still
>i tell them they should have helped
>one guy starts blaming me for "charging"
>we are still losing points

So...who was it that said that people are making an effort to play better because of the faction challenge?

[Mr D One]

Now Now Jun, the real game is the elo game. Rather than limit 10 games of the faction challenge, good players can manipulate elo to a point where they can drop against lower tier players.

So people may not be losing on purpose but they would not be playing their best either.

[Kjudoon]

Note to self. Stop playing on holiday weekends or tournament times. Yes I'm happy with the results, but am questioning whether it was worth the effort.

Jun Watarase, on 27 May 2014 - 12:17 AM, said:

>team is in the tunnel on crimson strait
>tell them not to bottleneck and charge
>they ignore me
>they camp inside the tunnel
>meanwhile we are losing points
>i go out of the tunnel via another exit with another mech and try to flank the enemy mechs guarding the tunnel exit
>i take down a battlemaster
>full hp enemy jager boating ballistics shows up in my face
>i barely manage to out dps him, am almost dead though
>the friendly mech that exited the tunnel with me is suddenly nowhere to be seen
>my team is still inside the tunnel, refusing to support me even though they know im right outside fighting
>die and spectate them
>they are just standing still in the tunnel, not even moving, not firing or anything, just standing still
>i tell them they should have helped
>one guy starts blaming me for "charging"
>we are still losing points

So...who was it that said that people are making an effort to play better because of the faction challenge?

Selfishness and bad teamwork out dakkas 'better' play. Oh... congrats on being better on the bad play this weekend.

Edited by Kjudoon, 27 May 2014 - 08:54 AM.

[Cactus In The Rear]

Kjudoon, on 27 May 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

Note to self. Stop playing on holiday weekends or tournament times.

Amen.

Edited by Xanilos, 27 May 2014 - 12:59 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

The lack of balance today was highlighted yet again. Met my first 6 ppc stalker. Watched him lolderp people at will. Yes he has crippling heat, yes he has a minimum range. Blah blah blah.
When he has 2-3 team mates protecting him and he's camping underground he is god.
Nevermind ghost heat, PGI put some kind of weapon limit in place. That "person" was glibly gloating in chat promoting his youtube channel, no doubt laughing his socks off oneshotting 50 ton mediums.

Why is PGI putting mechanics in place that allows people with that kind of mentality to gloat and deride others via their "builds?"
PP alpha spikes are ruining the game, can we try something else other than ghost heat now please?

[Hopper Morrison]

kamiko kross, on 27 May 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why is PGI putting mechanics in place that allows people with that kind of mentality to gloat and deride others via their "builds?"
PP alpha spikes are ruining the game, can we try something else other than ghost heat now please?

quickly hides my 7 erppc banshee m...