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[Rex Budman]

Close range weapons just became useless, and the fact we cant choose the map we drop in is a huge joke.

I rock a FS9; its all just ECM cover and LRM spam.

Couple that with the crappy technical update and crappy FPS issues when im on a more than decent rig, and you got yourself a piece of crap right here.

Been with this game through thick and thin; I'm a founder and closed beta tester. Where we're at now is just horrible.

People are just spamming LRM to get the achievements and up their damage.

"MWO, a thinking mans shooter"

My ass.

[Straylight]

If MWO isn't a thinking man's game to you, you're not thinking hard enough.

Think about how to beat LRM boats. Think about bringing countermeasures. Think about how to close on them without exposing yourself. Think about how to make them waste ammo. Think about coordinating your team to protect everyone under a bubble of AMS fire. Think about NARCing them so your LRM boats have an easier time of it.


EDIT: Besides, the buffed LRMs are the shiny new thing that people are playing with. It happens ever patch. Give it a couple days and it'll settle down.

Edited by Straylight, 18 March 2014 - 10:30 PM.

[Rex Budman]

Straylight, on 18 March 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

If MWO isn't a thinking man's game to you, you're not thinking hard enough.

Think about how to beat LRM boats. Think about bringing countermeasures. Think about how to close on them without exposing yourself. Think about how to make them waste ammo. Think about coordinating your team to protect everyone under a bubble of AMS fire. Think about NARCing them so your LRM boats have an easier time of it.


EDIT: Besides, the buffed LRMs are the shiny new thing that people are playing with. It happens ever patch. Give it a couple days and it'll settle down.

I think you're not observing enough, and philosophising too much. Think about the abundant amount of useless weapons now. Think about the ECM bubble that one never walks out of. Think about the mechs that just got rendered useless in the plethora of large open maps that this game provides.

Think before you post.

[Nryrony]

The LRM change didn't do much, they just buffed the flight speed so that an Assault "running" into cover might receive a missile or to more - or a running spider for that matter.

What actually changed was that people finally boated lrms again - in masses. With the meta changing away from ECM DDCs people now are actually getting hit.

AMS won't completely solve this problem but it will make a difference if your whole team is using it or not.

[Mordin Ashe]

LRMs were subpar, now they are slightly less so. Still the worst weapon system to do damage with, I can break a 1k dmg line ten times with ballistics and laser builds before I achieve it once with missiles.
Btw how many people with AMS do you see? Even at times where LRMs were considered balanced there were are least 5 people taking AMS. Now? Noone. People don't take them because of how bad LRMs were. Now they suck too, but you need that AMS not to worry about them.

[Rex Budman]

Mordin Ashe, on 18 March 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

LRMs were subpar, now they are slightly less so. Still the worst weapon system to do damage with, I can break a 1k dmg line ten times with ballistics and laser builds before I achieve it once with missiles.
Btw how many people with AMS do you see? Even at times where LRMs were considered balanced there were are least 5 people taking AMS. Now? Noone. People don't take them because of how bad LRMs were. Now they suck too, but you need that AMS not to worry about them.

It's more the fact that they are being used in droves that anyone who steps out of the ECM bubble is a target for many several missles that AMS just can't counter.

Light best are best to counter this, but when teams group up and sit in the bubble, you might as well just smoke a cigarette and watch some youtube because you won't be moving very much.

[fluffypinkbunny]

My lance dropped in 4 mechs with 2 ams each... the sky was filled with missiles from the other side, we stood in the open and spread our arms wide saying please shoot at us. The hail of bullets and falling scrap from missiles was beautiful. We laughed so hard for a while until the missiles stopped suddenly. We then proceeded to walk around and destroy the now ammo-less mechs.

[Rex Budman]

fluffypinkbunny, on 18 March 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

My lance dropped in 4 mechs with 2 ams each... the sky was filled with missiles from the other side, we stood in the open and spread our arms wide saying please shoot at us. The hail of bullets and falling scrap from missiles was beautiful. We laughed so hard for a while until the missiles stopped suddenly. We then proceeded to walk around and destroy the now ammo-less mechs.

Sounds like you had a fun match.

[Straylight]

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

I think you're... philosophizing too much.

<snip>

Think before you post.

I can't very well be doing both, now can I?

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Think about the abundant amount of useless weapons now.

Yes, the death of the slow-as-a-glacier AC-spam platform will be greatly lamented...

...by nobody.

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Think about the ECM bubble that one never walks out of.

Yes. I see. I will seriously contemplate this from the cockpit of my Spider on the other side of the map.

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Think about the mechs that just got rendered useless in the plethora of large open maps that this game provides.

I will come to the aid of these poor, beleaguered souls by teaching them of the ancient and hidden paths beyond LOS we Lights have walked for years uncounted, and I will illuminate to them our long-held secrets of using bigger engines.

You have enlightened me, Sir. I have much to think about, and much more to do.

[Rex Budman]

Straylight, on 18 March 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

I can't very well be doing both, now can I?

Yes, the death of the slow-as-a-glacier AC-spam platform will be greatly lamented...

...by nobody.

Yes. I see. I will seriously contemplate this from the cockpit of my Spider on the other side of the map.


I will come to the aid of these poor, beleaguered souls by teaching them of the ancient and hidden paths beyond LOS we Lights have walked for years uncounted, and I will illuminate to them our long-held secrets of using bigger engines.

You have enlightened me, Sir. I have much to think about, and much more to do.

I had no idea the spider was the only ECM capable mech - thanks for letting me know.

Oh indeed beyond LOS, yet too far to be able to do anything other than observe a bunch of stoner mechs around a drum circle.

Ballistic dominant mechs have been part of the game for a long time. They have more than a few uses...

You can indeed be philosophising too much, but not thinking enough about it. Sometimes throwing out a bunch of thoughts that aren't well put together can be called, bad philosophy...

[Straylight]

You're rather more articulate, more obstinate and more amusing than the usual patch-day whiner. Please, carry on. I'll dial down the snark a bit, now.

You're talking about weapons and chassis rendered useless. Which ones, and why?

[Lyoto Machida]

So nice, you had to say it twice...

[Rex Budman]

Straylight, on 18 March 2014 - 11:11 PM, said:

You're rather more articulate, more obstinate and more amusing than the usual patch-day whiner. Please, carry on. I'll dial down the snark a bit, now.

You're talking about weapons and chassis rendered useless. Which ones, and why?

Is this a forum or a creative writing competition? Wow... Just wow.

Anything with power and a low range.

PPC is viable to an extent, but ECM bubbles mean getting within 600m is next to impossible since the ECM bubble drum circles are usually behind cover themselves.

AC/20 with a 270m range is just useless. A mech that can carry that is generally not the fastest moving mech - it will get pummeled.

Pretty much most of the Lasers are useless unless you get in range, and getting in range means speed and maneuverability. Once you get sight of the ECM bubble drum circle, you will get eaten up by the plethora of mechs partaking in the bong session.

Ballistics are still pretty good, like AC5 and AC2 - still need to get within range and sight though.

I ran through 2000AMS rounds in a matter of a minute with my dual AMS Jester.

Best counter for this is an entire team of light mechs. /sarcasm

Edited by Rex Budman, 18 March 2014 - 11:22 PM.

[Kjudoon]

fluffypinkbunny, on 18 March 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

My lance dropped in 4 mechs with 2 ams each... the sky was filled with missiles from the other side, we stood in the open and spread our arms wide saying please shoot at us. The hail of bullets and falling scrap from missiles was beautiful. We laughed so hard for a while until the missiles stopped suddenly. We then proceeded to walk around and destroy the now ammo-less mechs.

Ahhh yes, the culling of the bad LRM pilots has begun. Another reason why those who say LRMs are for 'skill less no talent hacks' is full of so many green pickles they squeak going into the turn.

That's creative epithet writing.

Edited by Kjudoon, 18 March 2014 - 11:20 PM.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

I think ill just boat lrms in my missilebucket couple of weeks until this lrm-spamming is over.
Then revert back to actual all-round useful builds

[KharnZor]

If you die to LRM's its for either of these reasons:
1. Its your fault, you were caught out in the open due to whatever stupid decision you made at the time, learn from this and improve.
2. You were out played. End of story and as above, learn from it and improve.
That is all.

[Rex Budman]

KharnZor, on 18 March 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

If you die to LRM's its for either of these reasons:
1. Its your fault, you were caught out in the open due to whatever stupid decision you made at the time, learn from this and improve.
2. You were out played. End of story and as above, learn from it and improve.
That is all.

So both points are basically the same point. Not much wriggle room there, is there?

Anyway, those points may be true in a smaller map with cover, but as we both know, most of the maps here are wide open maps.

[Truesight]

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Close range weapons just became useless, and the fact we cant choose the map we drop in is a huge joke.

I rock a FS9; its all just ECM cover and LRM spam.

Couple that with the crappy technical update and crappy FPS issues when im on a more than decent rig, and you got yourself a piece of crap right here.

Been with this game through thick and thin; I'm a founder and closed beta tester. Where we're at now is just horrible.

People are just spamming LRM to get the achievements and up their damage.

"MWO, a thinking mans shooter"

My ass.

Since you were there from the beginning... remember those battles on forrest colony? When we were hiding in trenches and behind hills all the time until 1 team decides to rush the tunnel? The water was pretty much a no go at this time since there wasn't even the ship there. You know, this was the time when LRMs really were powerful, now they are just good enough for their weight. If you equip a lot of AMS, they are half as bad as well.

[Rex Budman]

Truesight, on 18 March 2014 - 11:37 PM, said:

Since you were there from the beginning... remember those battles on forrest colony? When we were hiding in trenches and behind hills all the time until 1 team decides to rush the tunnel? The water was pretty much a no go at this time since there wasn't even the ship there. You know, this was the time when LRMs really were powerful, now they are just good enough for their weight. If you equip a lot of AMS, they are half as bad as well.

I remember those days - I especially remember when they buffed them so heavily that they were just OP in the traditional sense.

What you described is pretty much what's happening now and I wonder, why are we repeating this?

Oh and re:AMS; They're garbage. My Jester carries Two with 2k shots. LRMs tore me apart even when behind cover due to being tagged so many times when I wanted to make myself useful with my JJ & PPCs.

Edited by Rex Budman, 18 March 2014 - 11:41 PM.

[KharnZor]

Rex Budman, on 18 March 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

So both points are basically the same point. Not much wriggle room there, is there?

Anyway, those points may be true in a smaller map with cover, but as we both know, most of the maps here are wide open maps.

Nope. Its pretty cut and dry. Reason one is your fault. Reason two is someone else. cant be much clearer than that.
And as for cover, well i disagree