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[Fang01]

So the hero spider is gonna be a 35 ton venom prototype with a 300 engine cap, 4 energy hard points, 4 jets, and an ecm slot right fellas? Right? RIGHT?

5X...

[Munin]

bah. I like my RVN-3L I named Huginn better than this travesty. best role I can think of for it with 2 x20 tubes is light missle support due to JJs. no ECM kinda ruins its sneaking ability though. Does PGI design these 'hero' mechs hardpoints by throwing darts at a boards with the names of locations and weapons or something?

[Duran Farshore]

I don't often post.

However I was looking forward to getting a Raven Hero.

This trash mech seems to have fallen out of the nerf tree and hit every bat on the way down...

I think I will hold off getting Ravens until they fix this mess or bring out something useful.

[Daekar]

There seems little reason to bother with this mech. Put ECM on it and it might be worth coping with the substandard hard points.

EDIT: I love the Raven chassis design, I like the idea of an electronic warfare carrier, and I love the paint job. I WANT to like this mech, I was planning on buying the Raven hero when it finally came out as a lead-in to the rest of the variants. Why is it that so many of the mechs I really like are so bloody awful and the ones that look like someone had a seizure in 3DSMax are the ones with good hardpoint placement and types?

*sigh* I've spent long enough and endured too much frustration running mechs that I wanted to play rather than the ones that were good to fall into that trap again. I'm done playing mechs that are crap on the principle of avoiding the meta, PGI. Stop creating so many that are useful only for troll builds or balance your weapons so that 85% of the chassis aren't worthless anymore.

The fact that you have to avoid putting ECM on the the one chassis where is it practically expected based on the identity of the mech to avoid P2W whining is a sign that ECM IS OVERPOWERED. Under no circumstances is it acceptable to create a system where that one piece of equipment renders a mech chassis instantly desirable and therefore inappropriate to put behind a pay wall.

Edited by Daekar, 01 April 2014 - 01:01 PM.

[Janitor101]

And to make everything worse, we didn't get full weapon appearance customization for all Ravens, only the Missile hardpoint on the RT changes. If you throw a Flamer or PPC on the right energy arm, they appear as lasers, like they did before.
Lazy as shit.

I've hit the 'Extremely Disappointed' rung with this game.

Edited by Janitor101, 01 April 2014 - 10:44 AM.

[Munin]

Janitor101, on 01 April 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

And to make everything worse, we didn't get full weapon appearance customization for all Ravens, only the Missile hardpoint on the RT changes. If you throw a Flamer or PPC on the right energy arm, they appear as lasers, like they did before.
Lazy as shit.

I've hit the 'Extremely Disappointed' rung with this game.

which is funny, since the most-used Raven is the 3L, and even on it and the others, THE most used weapon on them is, guess what, THE ENERGY SLOTS! way to go PGI

[Jabilo]

Duran Farshore, on 01 April 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

I don't often post.

However I was looking forward to getting a Raven Hero.

This trash mech seems to have fallen out of the nerf tree and hit every bat on the way down...

I think I will hold off getting Ravens until they fix this mess or bring out something useful.

I feel your pain, this mech is irredeemably awful.

I was really looking forward to the Raven hero and I can not see any justification for making it so uncompetitive.

Aaargh!

[EvilCow]

It would be "acceptable" with ECM, better with an extra energy HP for a TAG.

It would not be P2W because the 3L would be still a better mech overall.

PGI, please reconsider, think to the chil... sales

Edited by EvilCow, 01 April 2014 - 10:49 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

LONG LIVE THE HUGINN!

First match out, 2 kills 400+ damage. Think I'm gonna like this little beast...

[Malcolm Reynolds]

And the Jenner pilots weep again as what the hero Jenner should have been is a raven. Good thing I'm a Cataphract Pilot and ours only suffered an horrible paint job.

[Ngamok]

Amsro, on 31 March 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

Maybe there will be 2, like the twin Dragons.

Edit; either way I don't raven. !

I have exactly 3 lights (all mastered). Raven 3L, was first light I bought. Jenner-D(S) because I contributed. Locust-1V only because I bought Overlord and I cannot sell it so I mastered it. I took each chassis to 8/8 basic and sold off the other 2 variants and getting my Locust allowed me to take the raven and jenner to master once I got 4/4 Elite with it.

[aniviron]

Saxie, on 01 April 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

I hope so... Even if I think about the current load out I would have no clue how to balance it against the other lights. You could add ECM, or strip off 2 ballistics and add 2 energy.


edit spelling

You do know that stripping off two ballistics for two energy makes it... a RVN-4X with one extra missile hardpoint and a slightly bigger engine cap?

I'd guess the reason this hero is so underwhelming is the repeated refusal to bring the RVN-2X and 4X into the status of "mechs anyone would ever play voluntarily for any reason." (I wrote a small book about why they're so bad a few months ago, if anyone cares.) PGI being PGI, they wanted to avoid the cries of P2W, so they had to take the baseline of how good most Ravens are (awful) and make the hero different but equivalent to that. The reason that the Huggin' is so bad is the hardpoints, but if they were different, it'd easily be far superior to the 2X and 4X, and I'm guessing they were trying to avoid that.

[Ngamok]

Stevie Ray Vaughan, on 01 April 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

So weird, this Raven, the La Munchy, how did PGI make 2 Hero duds in a row? Will this be a trend now?

Just because the Hero Banshee didn't have 2B and 2+E and not meta enough doesn't make it a dud. I know someone running a 3S with an AC/5, 2xPPC, and 2xLPL and doing just fine which the LM can almost run.

[Ngamok]

cdlord, on 01 April 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

LONG LIVE THE HUGINN!

First match out, 2 kills 400+ damage. Think I'm gonna like this little beast...

Shhhhhh, no it's DOA. Don't break the moniker people have already given it.

[DONTOR]

InRev, on 31 March 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

How many tubes for the missile hardpoints?

It can have 40 tubes.

[Munin]

DONTOR, on 01 April 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

It can have 40 tubes.

.... but can barely carry 2 LRM 10s or higher with all else left off for the most part *it's over on smurfys already for messing with*. the missle ports are essentially mech-sized clown shoes. far bigger than most anything that can be fit reasonably into them and still be practical in all but a few cases

[Vanguard319]

DONTOR, on 01 April 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

It can have 40 tubes.

There you go, an LRM 40 Raven. I'm not sure how much ammo you could carry, but it sounds like the Huginn has it's niche.

[Effectz]

Vanguard319, on 01 April 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

There you go, an LRM 40 Raven. I'm not sure how much ammo you could carry, but it sounds like the Huginn has it's niche.

2 LRM 20's 23.5 tones,that leaves 11.5 tons and thats with absolutely no armor engine or ammo.

Good luck with that.

[aniviron]

Vanguard319, on 01 April 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

There you go, an LRM 40 Raven. I'm not sure how much ammo you could carry, but it sounds like the Huginn has it's niche.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...94d0ba775d3483d

I'm sure you could take more if you were willing to take a smaller engine, but below 170 you're losing efficiency due to having to add in more heatsinks, and getting no speed out of it.

[Mason Grimm]

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