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[kosmos1214]

HiredGun, on 21 January 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

All I know, is that i am going to enjoy all those free kills when they come out

thus proving you dont get it

[Edmar Fecler]

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I must say, that I am really curious what all the fuss is about. If you are going to drive something slower than an atlas, why not have the weapons and armor to back it up. I get that the 360 rotation is pretty cool, but seriously. I would be surprised if you can mount larger than a 120 engine, giving you a top speed of around 64kph. A spider moving at 64kph is dead meat, no mater how you play it. I get that it is cute in a R2-D2 sort of way, but not $40 cute.

also, hey kosmo!

Edited by Edmar Fecler, 21 January 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Ovion]

Harathan, on 21 January 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

That's funny, I feel the same way about people buying an Urbanmech.

Didn't answer my question though.

Plus you feel disgust and pity, because your sense of humour and social skills are crippled, and you feel the need to join in conversations about things you don't like, in some perverse, self destructive brain pattern.

I feel mild disgust and pity, because you try to get your jollies trying to ruin others fun, because you don't like it, so instead of going your seperate way, you do the above.

But then active intolerance in all its forms confuses me.
If you don't like something, ignore it and do something you do like.
Don't make an effort to involve yourself with the thing you don't like.

Edited by Ovion, 21 January 2015 - 05:30 PM.

[Bolter01]

When I first saw it I thought it was an Assault, but 30t ??
Guess I'll have to wait and see. ATM I dont see how it can be effective.

Perhaps they will create a tight urban map to utilse it.

[o0cipher0o]

Uhm, too many people wondering about the effectiveness of the urbie. I have two things to say to all these guys:
1)It's not about the effectiveness, it's about the mech itself. It's an iconic mech. It's about the epicness.
2) Get a sdr-5k, mount an std 100 on it, endo, an ac10, a small laser, and try it out. It's actually pretty fun to run,as you have the armor of a light, with the speed(well, slowiness) of an assault. It makes you think about what you're doing, even more than a locust. And it feels great to get a kill in it, or to do a 300+ dmg match.


Also, to all those people utterly negative and completely against the introduction of the urbie: **** off. We've been asking for it for two years(three actually?), and we are PAYING to have it. So, again, **** off. You don't like it? Dont buy it, it's simple, really.

Edited by o0cipher0o, 21 January 2015 - 06:48 PM.

[Mark McKinnon]

Heart be still The Urbanmech has arrived. So epic. Finally Russ you have listened to the community and it has responded. You have my money.

[ZnSeventeen]

Bolter01, on 21 January 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

When I first saw it I thought it was an Assault, but 30t ??
Guess I'll have to wait and see. ATM I dont see how it can be effective.

Perhaps they will create a tight urban map to utilse it.

That is why it is called the urbanmech. Try a spider with an ac-10, and a 100 engine, it can be surprisingly effective. You just have to think way ahead.

[Gift of the Magi]

Part of the charm of the Urbanmech is the game everything here is based on. Even after three years, we still don't have all the mechs that the canon says were available in 3050. And out of the remaining mechs, the Urbanmech was a bit special. It's look, design, bizarre abilities and purpose are quite different to what we have gotten used to for Lights.

The Urbanmech is NOT a high-speed scout/harassment mech. Its purpose is defense. It was designed to work within crowded urban areas were speed and size worked against you, not for you (thus the name). It was also made to help defend bases and slower Assaults by adding to their firepower and being able to strike at someone at any facing.

Now the tweets we are seeing say that we may expect the engines to be upgraded to the point that the Urbie could hit about 118 kph. Thus, she may be a bit slow for a light, but she is still a LOT faster than anything else. Stick them with the Assault lance and watch those harassment mechs get blasted apart. This is one of the smallest in height of the light mechs....that is saying something.

So now we have a tiny, hard to hit Light that starts slow but could be upgraded to doing over 100 kph, can torso-twist completely around so you can NEVER get behind it....AND IT CAN HOLD AN AC/20!

Please refer future complains against the Urbie to about 12 inches in front of its main cannon.

[Dino Might]

Here's Why (my post for all the people who just don't understand the hype):

1. It has terrible attributes, and those are bared for the world to see in a "look at me, I don't care," sort of way. This idea resonates with people - we all put on these public facades and are so overly concerned with how we are perceived by others, and then comes the Urbie. It knows it's a slowly moving garbage can, with little armor and weaponry. It knows it is terrible in terms of performance. And it just doesn't care. It takes the hand dealt to it and says to the world, "Bring it on." We all have a desire to throw caution to the wind, forget about what other people think, and jump into the fray of something challenging, scary, and possibly risky. It's a way of feeling strong, whether you actually are or not. And make no mistake about it, it is important.

2. Aesthetics - It's so ugly it's cute. It's small, and small things are generally more cute than large things. Furthermore, this thing is like the Pug (dog breed) of mechs. You look at it and think, "wow...there's not a single part to it that I would call aesthetically pleasing, but put all together, and I can't help but applaud and appreciate the raw homeliness"

3. In a world of increasing rules and requirements, we have even come to an unspoken set of laws in MWO, that you must play certain mechs with certain weapons in a certain way. Think about how many times you do not want to play Nascar but end up doing so, because there is really no option. You feel compelled to try and perform well in your metamech, because there is an expectation that you will, from yourself, and from your team. Well the Urbie throws all that out. Nobody expects anything of it, including its pilot. So you have a ready excuse for being terrible. And sometimes playing that way without worrying whether you did the best or the worst is a lot more fun and relaxing than getting frustrated about "hitreg" and "noskill teammates" and "meta[redacted]." The Urbie gives you a ready made excuse to let your hair down and just enjoy being in a mech, win or lose. In normal social situations, adults use alcohol for this - we are worried about being cool, and we don't want to do anything embarrassing. But when we are drunk, we have a ready made excuse for why we were not acting cool, and we then can go sing terribly on the karaoke machine and dance like a walrus having a seizure - these things are fun, and now it's okay to do them because we were drunk. Well now it's ok to spend the match trying to jump on top of a Direwolf and legging yourself in the process because you're in an Urbie.

Edited by Dino Might, 21 January 2015 - 08:37 PM.

[TamerSA]

I understand what pro-Urbie people are saying, I really do...
But I don't like the idea of putting the Urbie into the game. For me it's exactly the same as for example Squirre Girl in Marvel. Sure it's funny and entertaining, and I get the humour behind it. But there are limits.

As soon as you put something that is popular purely because it is so silly and irrational into the main game in this form, it is going to be used for that same humorous and silly application. In other words... it will become a troll device. Even if this is not the intention, somewhere you are going to get tired of being on the team with the guy who "appreciates the humour of it" and drops in an Urbie to make you 1 mech short.

And no, I am not a pro nor am I remotely good enough to be competitive. But when I play MWO I play it to enjoy mech combat and the concept behind it. I would have supported a separate game mode for the Urbies as a casual mode, or even better would be to incorporate them in some form for PvE or defences on CW. But not as a playable mech... it just doesn't make sense.

I also think the only reason this is going into the game is because there was enough demand to make a quick buck off of it. But this is all my opinion

[POWR]

TamerSA, on 21 January 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

it just doesn't make sense.

Most of the mechs don't make any sense. If you're to believe the metapolice, then only about 2 or 3 make sense.

Edited by POWR, 22 January 2015 - 02:31 AM.

[The Great Unwashed]

Accidentally bought one. I hope they bring a few very very small maps for Urban-fights only... just for the cheese of it... Doesn't have to make sense, it only has to be fun. Capture the flag with Urby's only? I see the potential... a few slightly less slow ones to run, a few to defend, JJ to spot... the map could be plain weird...

Edited by The Great Unwashed, 22 January 2015 - 02:45 AM.

[Dino Might]

TamerSA, on 21 January 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

I understand what pro-Urbie people are saying, I really do...
But I don't like the idea of putting the Urbie into the game. For me it's exactly the same as for example Squirre Girl in Marvel. Sure it's funny and entertaining, and I get the humour behind it. But there are limits.

As soon as you put something that is popular purely because it is so silly and irrational into the main game in this form, it is going to be used for that same humorous and silly application. In other words... it will become a troll device. Even if this is not the intention, somewhere you are going to get tired of being on the team with the guy who "appreciates the humour of it" and drops in an Urbie to make you 1 mech short.

And no, I am not a pro nor am I remotely good enough to be competitive. But when I play MWO I play it to enjoy mech combat and the concept behind it. I would have supported a separate game mode for the Urbies as a casual mode, or even better would be to incorporate them in some form for PvE or defences on CW. But not as a playable mech... it just doesn't make sense.

I also think the only reason this is going into the game is because there was enough demand to make a quick buck off of it. But this is all my opinion

I totally understand your point of view - I try not to bring out the 12 Tag laser Nova too often for the sake of everyone I'm playing with. I usually limit it to unit drops because, well, every unit needs "that guy." My "reasons" post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but in every joke there is a nugget of truth.

I think that most iterations of the Urbie actually will not be that bad. Given a 200 or so engine cap (if that's what they turn out), it will probably be a competitor with the Panther. I think once the first week is over, the Urbiesplosion will subside, and you will still see them regularly, but only in the hands of pilots that are dedicated to them and have developed a playstyle suited to making them effective. Sure, they probably won't be as effective as other light mechs *cough* Jenner, Firestarter *cough*, but that can be said for 90% of the mechs on the field, and I don't think they will be as big a detriment as feared.

[TamerSA]

POWR, on 22 January 2015 - 02:30 AM, said:

Most of the mechs don't make any sense. If you're to believe the metapolice, then only about 2 or 3 make sense.

Don't get me wrong, I HATE metas... I used to play LoL and Champions Online, and it was so frustrating to keep getting shoved into a mold for PvP or face being shunned as an idiot. The thing that made MWO fun for me was to make my own builds that I loved to play and worked for me. I don't care about what competitive players do. That is also why I don't mind being a PUG.

All I am saying is that I think the Urbie doesn't really have a place in the game as it is now. It should have been easter egg or PvE content that paid the needed respect to the mech without forcing it into a PvP game where it will need perks and boosts to become viable.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

We had it one time in a drop, when the dropleader saw a Masakari in our Group. He said:"Next drop no Masakari...he is too slow..."
Wupp next drop we got a Dire in our group.....
So..No Assaults anymore in CW....(Gargyole is not counting...)

April in IS: Please don t take Assaults....Whupp he gets the Trashcan Urbie..

[Gift of the Magi]

Personally, I want to see ALL of the mechs the timeline has available in the game. We still have over a dozen to go yet. It is in part a sense of complete-ness, to finally have a complete online version of Battletech in which we have full choice of what we want to take and not just what the current patches make "the best" for the game.

But it's also play style. No matter how good one mech is over another, the real margin is actually smaller than most realize. It is still a question of skill and feel. Does this mech really work for you, or are you having to adapt yourself to the feel of the mech? I recently bought a Shadow Hawk because I used to like it back in my table-top days and I heard it is a very good mech in this game. I also recently got a Hunchback that was on sale for giggles.

Result: I am struggling with the Shadow Hawk, but having a lot of fun with the Hunchback. Not nearly as mobile as the S-hawk, but the punch is very nice and it feels more stable. My first duel with a stock Hunchy was against a T-Wolf...and I won. I NEVER WIN DUELS. Now I own 4 Hunchbacks and regret nothing.

The Urbanmech has a place here. All the mechs have a place here. The place is with the mechwarriors that can use them, that fits their style. And just remember, it only takes a single patch to completely change who's mech is on top of the pile.

So folks, what 3050 or prior mech should we ask for next? The Wyvern? Dervish? Maybe the remaining Unseen? Hells, maybe the Mackie???

[NUJRSYDEVIL]

Personally I want the Nova Cat or the Templar to become available. Nobody ever talks about the Templar but the Nova Cat's awesomeness cannot be denied.

[LtPoncho]

The quotes on the paint job are worth the price of admission - hilarious and well done! A well-needed, good reason to laugh at Mechwarrior Online.

[The Red Priest]

Just you wait! You won't be talking trash about the UrbanMech when you face 12, yes I said TWELVE! You will get rolled so hard!

[stjobe]

TamerSA, on 21 January 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

I understand what pro-Urbie people are saying, I really do...
But I don't like the idea of putting the Urbie into the game. For me it's exactly the same as for example Squirre Girl in Marvel. Sure it's funny and entertaining, and I get the humour behind it. But there are limits.

As soon as you put something that is popular purely because it is so silly and irrational into the main game in this form, it is going to be used for that same humorous and silly application. In other words... it will become a troll device. Even if this is not the intention, somewhere you are going to get tired of being on the team with the guy who "appreciates the humour of it" and drops in an Urbie to make you 1 mech short.

And no, I am not a pro nor am I remotely good enough to be competitive. But when I play MWO I play it to enjoy mech combat and the concept behind it. I would have supported a separate game mode for the Urbies as a casual mode, or even better would be to incorporate them in some form for PvE or defences on CW. But not as a playable mech... it just doesn't make sense.

I also think the only reason this is going into the game is because there was enough demand to make a quick buck off of it. But this is all my opinion

The thing is, the Urbie isn't going to be as bad as some people would paint it. It's not really going to be any worse than some 'mechs already in the game (LCT-1V and SDR-5V for example).

Speed is going to be an issue, sure. We're all accustomed to the fast lights, and it's going to take some getting used to piloting a really slow light - but the Clan lights aren't really speed demons either, and the Panther isn't going to set any land speed records when that comes out.

I (and several others) have already tried our hands at playing the pseudo-Urbie SDR-5K, and it is great fun and surprisingly effective. Don't make any mistakes though - but that is true for any light.

Personally, I think it's going to be a fun little 'mech, and I don't anticipate it being "the worst 'mech in the game" by a long shot, so for me at least putting such a popular, almost cult-like 'mech in the game is no different from putting any other 'mech in.

Choice is good. More 'mechs is good.

Bring on the Urbie.