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[stjobe]

Shar Wolf, on 01 July 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

Unseen were all "re-seen" (if I remember right)
They are still a sticky situation -especially the Macross ones.

"Reseen" is actually used to describe two different things; it is both the 'mechs whose original artwork was once Unseen but are now okay to use again like the Griffin, Shadow Hawk, or BattleMaster, but it is also used for the (fugly) redesigned versions of 'mechs whose original artwork is still Unseen, like the Marauder, Warhammer, or Crusader.

The original Macross artwork is still guarded by the ******** over at Harmony Gold like it's the salvation of mankind, and those designs will likely never be Reseen.

[IraqiWalker]

stjobe, on 01 July 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

"Reseen" is actually used to describe two different things; it is both the 'mechs whose original artwork was once Unseen but are now okay to use again like the Griffin, Shadow Hawk, or BattleMaster, but it is also used for the (fugly) redesigned versions of 'mechs whose original artwork is still Unseen, like the Marauder, Warhammer, or Crusader.

The original Macross artwork is still guarded by the ******** over at Harmony Gold like it's the salvation of mankind, and those designs will likely never be Reseen.

I swear, Harmony Gold is one of the most annoying, hostile, abusive-of-their-own-playerbase companies I have ever seen, and I deal with Games Workshop for my 40K needs!

[Alaskan Nobody]

IraqiWalker, on 01 July 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

I swear, Harmony Gold is one of the most annoying, hostile, abusive-of-their-own-playerbase companies I have ever seen, and I deal with Games Workshop for my 40K needs!

I haven't touched any of HG's products yet, but I know I dislike they way that they treat the BT/MW series
Justified or not (and they may very well be for all I can prove) they come across as bullies

[Ravewolf]

It's strange how they can't seem to see how Urban Mechs would be bestsellers. Come on, think of the gold to be gained from selling urbies, PGI. Every other player would buy one on the first day of availability. Only the release of the Marauder could sell more.

[Cimarb]

Ravewolf, on 02 July 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

It's strange how they can't seem to see how Urban Mechs would be bestsellers. Come on, think of the gold to be gained from selling urbies, PGI. Every other player would buy one on the first day of availability. Only the release of the Marauder could sell more.

I'm pretty sure they know how well it would sell, same as the Marauder, Archer and Warhammer, among others. I have no idea why they haven't released it yet, but they have been doing lots of good things lately, so hopefully they will soon (just so you guys will hush, lol)

[Dawnstealer]

Unlike the Urbie and Warhammer, the Archer is actually an effective mech. Imagine a Catapult with more armor, lasers on arms, and the ability to tank more damage. The Urbie would be fun, not overly effective, and you can build a Warhammer with the Orion.

The Marauder, though...

I'd still rather have the Urbie, Hatchetman, Zeus, and King Crab, but the Marauder is just an awesome mech with a long BT history.

I still say we crowdfund and buy out Harmony Gold and end this stupidity that's been going on since...what? Mechwarrior 2?

[stjobe]

Dawnstealer, on 03 July 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

I still say we crowdfund and buy out Harmony Gold and end this stupidity that's been going on since...what? Mechwarrior 2?

Slightly before, actually. MW2 was released in 1995 and the Unseen status was from a series of lawsuits in 1994.

[Cimarb]

Dawnstealer, on 03 July 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

Unlike the Urbie and Warhammer, the Archer is actually an effective mech. Imagine a Catapult with more armor, lasers on arms, and the ability to tank more damage. The Urbie would be fun, not overly effective, and you can build a Warhammer with the Orion.

The Marauder, though...

I'd still rather have the Urbie, Hatchetman, Zeus, and King Crab, but the Marauder is just an awesome mech with a long BT history.

I still say we crowdfund and buy out Harmony Gold and end this stupidity that's been going on since...what? Mechwarrior 2?

What would make you think the Warhammer is not an effective mech? It was one of the best mechs ever made, actually, and for us pre-Clan fans, is probably even MORE iconic than the Timber Wolf.

You can build a Warhammer with an Orion, just like you can build a Marauder with a Timber Wolf, or even an Urbie with a Spider... Close, but not quite the same thing. I WILL have my Warhammer once the Hellbringer comes out, though!

Zeus is the only one from that list that I would be slightly excited about. Hatchetman as well once they get collisions and add melee attacks to the game...

[Odanan]

Dawnstealer, on 03 July 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

Unlike the Urbie and Warhammer, the Archer is actually an effective mech. Imagine a Catapult with more armor, lasers on arms, and the ability to tank more damage. The Urbie would be fun, not overly effective, and you can build a Warhammer with the Orion.

The Archer has the same armor of the Catapult (same tonnage = same maximum armor in the mechlab) and has no jumpjets. In MWO, it is not better at all.

And you can do a Marauder with the Orion. (although the Marauder, reseen or unseen is aesthetically irreplaceable).

[Dawnstealer]

Cimarb, on 03 July 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

What would make you think the Warhammer is not an effective mech? It was one of the best mechs ever made, actually, and for us pre-Clan fans, is probably even MORE iconic than the Timber Wolf.

You can build a Warhammer with an Orion, just like you can build a Marauder with a Timber Wolf, or even an Urbie with a Spider... Close, but not quite the same thing. I WILL have my Warhammer once the Hellbringer comes out, though!

Zeus is the only one from that list that I would be slightly excited about. Hatchetman as well once they get collisions and add melee attacks to the game...

I agree, but at least the Orion is visually similar and has similar hardpoints. And I'm almost 40 years old and have been playing Battletech for longer than many of the MWO players have been alive - I know how iconic the Warhammer is to this franchise and universe.

And yes, you can "make" an Urbie out of a Spider, but it will have less armor, taller, different profile. A reseen Warhammer probably would end up looking similar to the Orion. Not "the same," but similar enough. Marauder...there just isn't much of anything that looks like that Zentraedi mecha.

Anyways, I WANT the Warhammer in the game, along with all the other iconic unseens, which is why I was saying crowd-fund and buy out the designs from Harmony Gold.

Hatchetman...Yeah, obviously melee would have to be implemented, but I think that needs to be implemented anyways.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Cimarb, on 03 July 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

......I have no idea why they haven't released it yet.......

STD60 grade engine
They would have to completely re-work how engines and heatsinks work into the mech builds to put that in.

Odanan, on 03 July 2014 - 06:18 AM, said:

The Archer has the same armor of the Catapult (same tonnage = same maximum armor in the mechlab) ....

Archer is 70 tons not 65
Similar base armor - but greater internal structure, and more room for weaponry.

[Cimarb]

Shar Wolf, on 03 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

STD60 grade engine
They would have to completely re-work how engines and heatsinks work into the mech builds to put that in.

Meh, minor obstacle. They would just need to bump it to a STD100 and shave something else off to compensate. Similar to how the SpidUrbies do so.

[Groutknoll]

Cimarb, on 03 July 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Meh, minor obstacle. They would just need to bump it to a STD100 and shave something else off to compensate. Similar to how the SpidUrbies do so.

If they can get masc to work then the urbie has a chance. Make it have a anti-masc with a std100 so that it would have the speed of a std60 and it also reduces the weight of the mech.

now if all mechs could get the anti-masc imagine a atlas with a std100 and anti-masc ... lol it could race the urbie

[Malleus011]

I would love an Urbanmech.

But I really, really want a Warhammer. And an Archer. And a Marauder, and a Crusader, and a Phoenix Hawk and a Rifleman.

I'd love for them to look 'right', but I'd be happy with all-new artwork, so long as I get the chassis. The Inner Sphere arsenal of Battlemechs is incomplete without the iconic heavies. Making an 'nearly right' model out of an Orion isn't the same.

And, by the way, PGI, I would PAY MONEY for all of the above.

[IraqiWalker]

Malleus011, on 03 July 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

I would love an Urbanmech.

But I really, really want a Warhammer. And an Archer. And a Marauder, and a Crusader, and a Phoenix Hawk and a Rifleman.

I'd love for them to look 'right', but I'd be happy with all-new artwork, so long as I get the chassis. The Inner Sphere arsenal of Battlemechs is incomplete without the iconic heavies. Making an 'nearly right' model out of an Orion isn't the same.

And, by the way, PGI, I would PAY MONEY for all of the above.

Even the urbie?

[Alaskan Nobody]

IraqiWalker, on 03 July 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Even the urbie?

I would pay for the Urbie

In part just to irritate those who hate the chassis
In part because of those times I have been outfought by Urbie-Spiders
In part because I like the underdogs



Lotta reasons to buy an Urbie, even for real money.

Malleus011, on 03 July 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

....
The Inner Sphere arsenal of Battlemechs is incomplete without the iconic heavies. Making an 'nearly right' model out of an Orion isn't the same.
....

It may be incomplete
But that is an issue with HG, rather than just PGI (though PGI as well)

They said with the Phoenix packs they were actively avoiding the Macross Unseen, due to HG apparently being extra zealous about those.

[IraqiWalker]

Shar Wolf, on 03 July 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

They said with the Phoenix packs they were actively avoiding the Macross Unseen, due to HG apparently being extra zealous about those.

You'd think it's the elixir to immortality with how HG treats'em.

[jper4]

Groutknoll, on 03 July 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

If they can get masc to work then the urbie has a chance. Make it have a anti-masc with a std100 so that it would have the speed of a std60 and it also reduces the weight of the mech.

now if all mechs could get the anti-masc imagine a atlas with a std100 and anti-masc ... lol it could race the urbie

i've suggested before that since they've been adding quirks to mechs that the Urbie's quirk would be that engines only work at 60% efficiency and that std 100 engine gives the same 32.4 kph that the std 60 does. may have to make endo stock to account for the weight difference in a std 60 and std 100 but there you go.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I've said it before...

... just give it a 200-engine cap. No more "problems."

[C E Dwyer]

MuffinTop, on 30 June 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

This should have come with Founders, HEY I'M JOKING!

I'd buy that for a dollar !