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[luxebo]

Jenner: Use as a gunboat/flanker. Keep moving, but make sure to use those JJs to get out of sticky situations, stick with other lights and gun enemies down, watch your heat and use alphas and MLs sparsely while spamming the SLs.
Hunchback: Use as a brawler/knifefighter. Don't alpha unless you know you're going down and/or have a guy that's one shot away from death (or basically cored, yellow-red center). Conserve your heat and don't snipe with your lasers. Torso twist, can't express that enough in this mech, and never let your big ol' hunch get taken off (torso twist left always).
Catapult: Use as an LRM boat. Ask for locks and stay as close as you can to others. Press r and fire LRMs at people, SSRMs only at very close range. Ask for people to counter ECM when you see it. Try to torso twist as well to spread damage, though not as needed.
Victor: Use as a brawler/jumper. Careful with ultras and try not to jam them (fire some and then try to conserve it), and SRMs and MPLs at very close range only. Use JJs and spread damage always, never stand still or you'd take a lot of damage.

The game is very far away from P2W, more like Pay to escape the grind sorta feeling. Not many heroes are fully extremely powerful and/or better than the C-bill versions. 12v12 is reasoned through company vs company. It used to be 2 lances vs 2 lances or 8v8. I suggest sticking with the group always and do your job, aim at what others aim. PGI still needs to work on the 'new player experience' and needs work on other things too in the game.

[BigO]

Before you take any machine out into a real fight, take a spin through the training grounds. Get a feel for the machine, how it moves, where your weapons can aim, how far out you can hit and do damage, what kind of heat you generate and how it affects your performance.

Group your weapons. Not all of them together, but maybe all your medium lasers for a close-in attack, and your missiles in a long range salvo. Try not to group dissimilar weaponry. The SRMs and the medium lasers have similar effective range,but wildly different effects when firing, and this is true for pretty much all weapon groups.

If you're in a slow mech, stay with the group, but don't get bunched up. If everyone moves into a chokepoint, either find another way around, or find a firing position to support the push. Getting caught up in a clusterfrag of big mechs just costs you armor, as often from teammates who can't keep it in their pants, as from enemy fire.

If you're in a fast mech, don't be afraid to do some exploring. That is expected of you, since your job is scouting. Do not rush enemies once you find them. Get a visual lock, maybe a TAG lock, keep in cover, and let the missile boats do the work. Be ready to run like hell. Nobody expects a light to hold off an Atlas (although it has been done)

[Katus]

Flaming oblivion, on 04 April 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Ok ive tried all the trials I suck on them all . I tend to use either the catapult or jenner since I seem to suck less . The issue I feel i'm running into perhaps where i'm going wrong through not knowing something I should perhaps . The trial jenner I tend to try to scout a hed not staying still for more then a second because im a pretty easy kill if not moving however I find myselve doing 30 damage at best by the end of most fights. The catapult is my favourite mech (i'm still not doing anything impressive usefulness wise) but I appear to be better then it then anything else , I'm usually doing 50-190 damage with him sometimes 0. the issue I seem to be running into with him is at long range I always seem to miss or get blocked even when my thing indicates im on target. and at short range everything seems to be able to outgun out tank or outmanoeuvre me a combination of the 3.

As was said above, make sure you turn OFF your 3rd person view in options. While you do that turn off your Arm Lock and I turn off throttle decay as well. If you leave 3rd person on you don't have your mini map and you can't aim your arm mounted weapons as well. Personally I attack any Red Team guys I find in 3rd person to get a cheap kill. Arm lock dose the same thing, it reduces you ability to aim. Throttle decay is also a no go for me since I usually am going full bore all the time, Speed is Armor.

Target Interlock Circuits (TIC) or what button makes stuff go BOOM! I like to make sure my weapons are grouped with others of like range and type. For instance IRC the trial Catapult has 2 LRM 15 and 2 SSRM (Streak Short Range Missiles). Group the two weapon systems in different firing circuits. So all the LRMs are on one and all the SSRMs are on another. Next, if you find you are running too hot try using chain fire (Backspace) on a TIC. It will fire each weapon one right after another rather then all at the same time. That is a good way to manage heat and to keep the pressure up on an enemy. In many cases, if an opponent is taking too much damage or PERCEIVES that he is taking too much damage they will frequently attempt to with draw and lure you back to his friends.

The care and feeding of Lurms (LRMs) or the thing that really hurts the goobers running across open ground. Lurms have a max range on them of 1000m. That however is NOT the real effective range. When they say 1000m that is NOT the ground distance between you and the target, it is the total distance the missiles travel. Since the fly up in an arc you have to account for that as well. I normally won't open fire until my victim gets to about 900m and I vastly prefer about the 400-600m range bracket. Next thing you have to worry about is holding you lock. If the target is out side of you LOS or line of sight then you are dependent on not only YOU holding the lock through the entire flight time of you salvo but the other unit ALSO holding lock. After that, if your victim is in a pack of other Mechs then more likely then not there will be multiple AMS or Anti Missile Systems shooting down your Lurms. Only a massed salvo can beat a massed group of enemy units with AMS. Watch the center of your reticule it will be the regular color unless you get a hit then it turns the same red as your lock icon. If you fire a couple of salvos and don't get a hit switch targets. If you see a target box out there with a hash mark on it then a good guy is shooting him with TAG or Target Acquisition Gear, repay his love with a fiery rain of death. If you see something that looks like a signal bar then a good guy has hit the bad guy with a Narc missile that will help guide your fiery rain of doom to its fulfillment.

Pro Tips for using Lurms.
1, Lock those targets! "R" is your friend even if you aren't Lurming.
2, Watch those arcs.
3, Massed salvo vs massed AMS.
4, Watch for hits, no hit change target or move, he might be under some sort of cover.
5, Hash mark for the win!
6, Love the Narc, hate the Narced!
7, Keep moving!
8, Follow your Friends, or Keep the group love going!
9, If you see a bad guy in trouble add to his bad day, damaged bad guys=deader bad guys!
10, If you see a Katus in red, he is your friend.. Don't shoot him, he's friendly and cute. He won't hurt you, Promise!

Edited by Katus, 04 April 2014 - 12:11 PM.

[muskrat]

Salute Flaming O

no one has mentioned this, so I will :
I often drop in a "heavy" Particullary my Cat c1 and find my lancemates to be a firestarter, jenner, shadowhawk or similar makeup I.E. much faster than my 82KPH Cat

so my advise look to see who you are sided with (your lance) if they are med/light and your in a heavy you will almost certainly be alone soon, check the other lances, look toward blue arrows hit 'Q" find that assualt,or another "heavy" get to him and then stay with AND behind him, now follow the advise of so many here, shoot what he shoots, if he surges, surge with him, however be aware, too many enemy just over that ridge and he will take you to your death also, if you step over and are looking a 4 plus enemy, get back to the rest of your pack quickly, "Stop, torso, reverse, spin your torso to spread that damage.

I dont pilot lights, but JJ + speed is your friend (stay with and behind the other lights, but within ecm if someone has it (blue eye in upper right of your hud) dont be afraid to engage if they do - just dont be the "first" one (grin) enemy tgt points, lights or fast med like you, LEGS, big slow hvy salts, try to get behind chew that rear armor.
trick to jj'n when you get in a jam -- torso look for an out, hit your jj now use the "f" key to bring your legs under where you are looking, hit your jj quick short burst one more time, zoom outta trouble.

Elo checkin on Drop Usually but NOT always

A lance where premade 4mades show up
B lance high elo or (second) premade including the 2 or 3 man premade teams
C lance lowest elo players

Position in lance
number 1 in Bravo lance you probably have the highest elo in B lance
highest to lowest top to bottom

Hope this will help you with the grind, others if I misquoted please feel free to correct me
I wont be offended (at my age if often mix things up a bit)

Muskrat

[Koniving]

Position in lance at the start may possible have to do with ELO. But after the first 'action' is made, position within the lance becomes sorted by Match Score (combination of all things you did) and changes dynamically.

That said, Flaming appears to have made 25 matches.
Any news on which mech class you prefer (light, medium, heavy, assault)?

[dr lao]

Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like a pay to win I just went that route to get the best out of the cadet credit and have that 30% extra for life but actually my goal was to do a free mech with the black and white pirates theme got to have it the hero's cant change theme's just color anyway doing it that way just has every thing happened faster O and im 53 so I need all the help I can get life time gamer here . I think I can change the themes on the champion mech's that would save time on the rebuild to my spec's..

[TheCaptainJZ]

As others have said, in any mech you pick, stick with others. Don't be the first one to a fight. Depending on the circumstances, try targeting mechs in the same weight class as you. Also, adjust your settings as previously mentioned a couple times to something that feels right for you. That is one good thing about the testing grounds.

[Lil Thumper]

Nothing..this game takes some practice. Here are a few tips and I'm no master or expert by any stretch.

Do not wander off..stay near your group/lancemates and assist them...assisting your teammates should be priority. And you can potentially earn more C-bills that way. Focus fire along with your lancemates...focus on the same area. Aim for less armored areas..arms/ right and left torsos..rear areas. Center torso areas usually have the most armor and can take a lot of abuse.

Know your maps...stay near cover(buildings/hills..etc.) if possible...LRM's can make short work of you in open fields.

Manage your heat..whittle your opponent down. Trying for that massive alpha strike usually leaves you on the brink of shutdown, therefore making you easy prey.

Learn about the other mechs...most of them have strengths and weaknesses(ex: Stalkers can usually ruin your day at distance...but they struggle up-close(they have difficulty turning/twisting quickly) Other mechs can lose one arm and sometimes half their firepower is gone.

Try the testing grounds and practice on the dummy mechs and learn the maps.

Keep trying...this game can be tons of fun with some effort on your part.

[XX Sulla XX]

A lot of the game is about timing. Knowing when to push and where to push. Knowing when and where to flank. Knowing when to stop in a light and keep shooting a mech in the back and when to keep going etc. This all will come with time and watching other players in the game etc. Any way just about every one looses a lot when they start. Well really because of ELO keeping people at about 50/50 wins an losses most people loose a lot

[Flaming oblivion]

Thank you all , I've read every post and its helped a lot and I appreciate the time you've took. very welcoming.

[valt901]

Here's my advice, from someone who has had zero dmg as well. Skip the catapult, it doesn't teach you to fight. skip the jenner because your to easy to kill as a new guy. my frist mech was the hunchie 4P. My favorite mech is the victor. if you use the hunchie set your firing groups for 6 and 3 lasers. Never fire all 9 at the same time. use the 6 as your heavy hitter and use the 3 when you start getting hot. DON'T overheat. Find an atlas and stick with him. be his escort. When the bad guys come they will attack him. You hit with 6 and back out. Don't worry about the atlas he is a meat shield and knows this. sneak in again and hit again and back out (behind a rock or whatever) If the atlas dies or there's too many run away, you can't save him. Find friends and fight from the back. Watch twitch and see how others do it. The IGP guys are on every day and use lots of different mechs. I can now get 600+ damage with my hunchie. Concentrate on staying alive don't worry about dmg. Get on teamspeak find a dropship with 3 people in it and join them and ask if they want a fourth. They usually will say sure. Then tell them you are new and they will give you one on one training. And you will make 3 new friends. Go to the community tab and go to the ngng site and join the teamspeak, it's free and fun.

[Ovion]

I still do Zero damage on occasion, especially when going for the win in my locust in Conquest, I can cap bases and never even fire a weapon, because I'm being all sneaky like.

As to waiting for 15mil - this will take a while.
After your Cadet Bonus, you're going to have 8-9mil C-Bills.
I would buy your mech then (unless you really want a bigger assault, then push for the extra 1-2mil to buy that),
then you can be earning experience points, and learning how to pilot your chosen mech, while getting the c-bills to upgrade it.

Then, once upgraded, you can continue learning while earning the C-Bills for either your other variants to Master that chasis, or another frame.

[Devayner]

Its not only your Mec that determins your playstyl, but weapons as well. Diff weapons lead time in the case of ACs or beam duration for lasers.Weapon ranges can affect you,try to stay under range to avoid damage drop off.

And trust these other guys/gals above , all of it is good stuff.

Edited by Devayner, 04 April 2014 - 06:56 PM.

[Davers]

Flaming oblivion, on 04 April 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Ok so I have not played mech warrior to long , I'm currently using trial mechs till I get a 15 million + bundle of c bills to decently upgrade a mech since I feel that's what I may need . However i'm constantly in battles doing 0- to a max of 200 damage , usually 0-50, I'm clearly doing something wrong as my side almost always loses with me having done little to nothing, I don't appreciate being called a noob whether its true or not I guess people forget they haven't always had the fully upgraded top end mech with all the buffs.

Before you spend ANY Cbills on a mech make sure you read the forums for build ideas and look at this site http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab. Plan all your builds out in advance. Plan on spending the 1.5 million Cbills on double heat sinks- they are pretty much mandatory on 99% of all mech builds.

Above all, just try to have fun. Statistically speaking, your games should get better once you have about 100 matches under your belt.