Er Ppc Vs Er Ll
#1
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:35 AM
The ERPPC seems to be a *ton* more heat, 2 more tons, 1more spot, slightly longer cool down.... all for a tiny amount more damage (1point!), with a bit more range.
From my uneducated POV, I don't think I'd ever use an ERPPC. What am I not seeing?
#2
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:38 AM
Generally I don't see many ERPPCs except in a few builds where the ERPPC is the sole weapon (See, ERPPC ECM Cicadas) and the lower-heat regular PPC is much more common
#3
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:45 AM
Edited by Modo44, 08 April 2014 - 09:46 AM.
#4
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:46 AM
#5
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:50 AM
#6
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:54 AM
Tastian, on 08 April 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:
Yeah... and people want to nerf PPCs....
I will say that when I only have tonnage for one PPC, I do like to take an ER PPC depending on the rest of the build. The extra range helps a little, but mainly the lack of minimum range comes into play. Dual ER PPC is just not practical in almost all cases.
Edited by Gas Guzzler, 08 April 2014 - 09:56 AM.
#7
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:05 AM
That said I use ER PPC cause i'm putting only one PPC on my BLR's and use it in tandem with either AC5/AC2 or Gauss Rifle. Regular PPC just doesn't have the reach to match. I drop the ER PPC, long range weapon group soon as I have a target around 450 Meters or less. I switch to the medium lasers and ballistics at that point.
I know I could possibly get a better overall damage out of some kind of Large Laser but what can I say, not BLR without PPC! and the single ERPPC is best suitable for spamming long range fire, like around 1KM out or more. I treat it kind of like an LRM launcher I guess, use for long range but not in close. I'm packing other weapons for that.
#8
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:05 AM
As a general rule, if you'll be taking the time to aim, the PPC/ERPPC would be the better choice. If you'll be firing on the move, the LL/ERLL is the better choice.
#9
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:08 AM
But the focused single location damage... that makes the PPC make more sense now. Not sure it's worth it, but at least there's an argument to be made for it, for that reason alone.
Thank you!
#10
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:14 AM
Jody
#11
Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:42 AM
ERPPC+Gass/AC can be very fun once you get used to it... But yes the heat is an issue.
#12
Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:00 PM
Onyxian, on 08 April 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:
From my uneducated POV, I don't think I'd ever use an ERPPC. What am I not seeing?
There's something you're missing. It's not the ER PPC that has a longer cooldown.
Time to fire an ER PPC after having fired.
Player fired ER PPC at 0 seconds.
1...
2...
3...
4 FIRE!
Time to fire an ER LL is NOT 3.25 seconds. Observe.
Player fires ER LL at 0 seconds. Beam starts. Cooldown does NOT begin.
1 second. Beam concludes. Laser weapon shuts down. Cooldown begins.
2 seconds.
3 seconds.
4 seconds.
4.25 seconds. FIRE!
#13
Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:06 PM
For example if you load an LRM-20 into the NARC beacon launcher of a Raven 3-L (since models on it do not update), you have to wait until all 20 missiles have fired... one at a time... before the cool down begins. This effectively changes the 4.75 second cooldown of the LRM 20 to roughly over 7 seconds before you can fire the LRM-20 again.
Beam weapons of the medium to large sort take 1 second to finish firing.
Small laser takes 0.75 seconds.
Pulse weapons of the medium to large sort take 0.6 seconds.
The small pulse takes 0.5 seconds.
To find out the actual time to fire again, you take the beam time + the cooldown time to get the actual refire time.
And if you have fast fire, subtract 5% from the "cooldown time" only. It has no effect on beam time or time to pump out missiles.
#14
Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:24 AM
However, a single ERPPC could provide some interesting opportunities. It gives you 10 pinpoint damage from point-blank to 810 meter. You could use to scavenge Assists from afar, finish enemies off at any range and of course, counter ECM. Here's an example of a mixed build involving a single ERPPC.
#15
Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:37 AM
Tastian, on 08 April 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:
This.
I tried putting 2ML's and 1 ER PPC on my Jenner instead of my usual 2ML's and 1 ER LL. My damage went from 400-600 damage to 130-250.
Heat ain't really the issue for me. I didn't even drop any speed when i mounted the ER PPC. I just couldn't accuratly hit anything that moved at longrange.
I go for the ER LL everytime nowadays. It's better for hunting internals without armor. Much easier to do damage where it really counts.
#16
Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:40 AM
The ER Large laser, on the other hand, is an excellent all-around weapon, but a bit problematic in its own right. While the ER Large does have a longer range than the normal PPC, the PPC's pinpoint damage means that your time to kill at those ranges is at least comparable, if not slanted in favor of the PPC (since the ER Large spreads damage.) However, the extra heat for the ER Large compared to the normal Large Laser is manageable, and it's also an excellent tool for smaller 'mechs who will be able to mount fewer additional weapons - thus allowing the 10 engine heat sinks to better handle the heat.
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