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[Mazzyplz]

why is the victor engine limit so much higher than the awesome's which is 300????

both are 80 ton mechs!!

how is this fair? maybe this is related to why the victor is more agile than intended? i mean, aren't the jumpjets enough advantage over the other 80 tonner?

(more agile than intended according to paul and hence why they nerfed the twist, but frankly this seems like a bigger issue?)

how does that make any sense... somebody just decided the way the awesome was balanced was because it looks so cool it doesn't really need anything else. the looks balance it

[FupDup]

Engine limits are normally based on a formula of the mech's stock engine size. The Victor has a higher stock engine, so it also has a higher engine limit.

[Straylight]

Engine limit isn't based on tonnage alone, it's based on the stock engine of the specific config as well, as follows:

1. Maximum-Engine power rating cannot exceed 400 or ~8.5x the 'Mech's tonnage, whichever is lower.

2. Maximum-Engine power rating with (round up to nearest 5 or 0):
Light 'Mech = 1.4 x Stock-Engine
Medium 'Mech = 1.3 x Stock-Engine
Heavy 'Mech = 1.2 x Stock-Engine
Assault 'Mech = 1.2 x Stock-Engine

Note: Every 50 ton 'Mech or heavier is therefore only restricted by the multiple of its Stock-Engine rating, since 8.5x its tonnage will always exceed 400.

[wolf74]

Straylight got all the info you need on that.

[Ultimax]

Straylight, on 10 April 2014 - 08:45 PM, said:

Engine limit isn't based on tonnage alone, it's based on the stock engine of the specific config as well, as follows:

1. Maximum-Engine power rating cannot exceed 400 or ~8.5x the 'Mech's tonnage, whichever is lower.

2. Maximum-Engine power rating with (round up to nearest 5 or 0):
Light 'Mech = 1.4 x Stock-Engine
Medium 'Mech = 1.3 x Stock-Engine
Heavy 'Mech = 1.2 x Stock-Engine
Assault 'Mech = 1.2 x Stock-Engine

Note: Every 50 ton 'Mech or heavier is therefore only restricted by the multiple of its Stock-Engine rating, since 8.5x its tonnage will always exceed 400.

This thread, if it's still accurate, also demonstrates that a similar formula exists for torso yaw/pitch speed, arm speed, etc.

http://mwomercs.com/...-mech-rotation/



And yet the Victor and Highlander have been pushed outside that formula.


I don't agree with that specific, but it does mean they can simply increase the Awesome's upper engine cap - if they actually cared to.

[A Man In A Can]

One thing to note is that the Awesome despite only having a 300 engine max, the yaw, pitch and arm speeds on that chassis are the fastest currently of the entire assault class. Meaning it can do the twist like a maniac (and it usually needs to).

Table for reference.

Tonage	80	80	85	85	90	95	100
Mech	Victor	Awesome	Battlemaster	Stalker	Highlander	Banshee	Atlas
Engine	300	300	300	300	300	300	300
Torso Yaw Speed	60° /s	82° /s	70° /s	70° /s	60° /s	63° /s	60° /s
Torso Pitch Speed	33° /s	46° /s	39° /s	39° /s	33° /s	35° /s	33° /s
Arm Speed	151° /s	168° /s	158° /s	158° /s	150° /s	142° /s	135° /s
Turn Speed	42.99 °/s 8.37 s	42.99 °/s 8.37 s	40.46 °/s 8.90 s	40.46 °/s 8.90 s	38.22 °/s 9.42 s	36.21 °/s 9.94 s	34.39 °/s 10.47 s

Edited by Mechwarrior Mousse, 10 April 2014 - 09:08 PM.

[Straylight]

wolf74, on 10 April 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Straylight got all the info you need on that.

Well, this wiki does, anyway.

Ultimatum X, on 10 April 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

This thread, if it's still accurate, also demonstrates that a similar formula exists for torso yaw/pitch speed, arm speed, etc.

http://mwomercs.com/...-mech-rotation/

And yet the Victor and Highlander have been pushed outside that formula.

I don't agree with that specific, but it does mean they can simply increase the Awesome's upper engine cap - if they actually cared to.

Many 'mechs fall outside the norms for their tonnage. The Victor and Highlander have been specifically cited by Russ as being too agile for their class, and I believe they were both adjusted a patch or two ago.

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 10 April 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

One thing to note is that the Awesome despite only having a 300 engine max, the yaw, pitch and arm speeds on that chassis are the fastest currently of the entire assault class. Meaning it can do the twist like a maniac (and it usually needs to).

The fact that is needs to is WHY it can. One of the balancing factors of the game is that chassis with easy-to-hit shapes can be made to turn, twist and pitch more quickly than their tonnage and engine rating indicates, while 'mechs with particularly advantageous shapes can have their reduced somewhat.

Smurfy helpfully lists these "quirks": http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/#mechs_quirks

[Almond Brown]

My gripe would be why does 4 of 6 chassis get 300 and the 2 specials get way more @385 and @400 respectively?

Why not @350 on the base chassis, with Specials where they are at? I would even give up a bit of Pitch/Yaw and twist for the faster speeds a @350 base would provide the WideBus that is the Awesome.

[Trauglodyte]

Almond Brown, on 11 April 2014 - 07:32 AM, said:

My gripe would be why does 4 of 6 chassis get 300 and the 2 specials get way more @385 and @400 respectively?

Why not @350 on the base chassis, with Specials where they are at? I would even give up a bit of Pitch/Yaw and twist for the faster speeds a @350 base would provide the WideBus that is the Awesome.

For the same reason that the X models (Raven and Cataphract) get limited in engines. PGI is trying to maintain some semblance of technology factors in variant releases. It is why the one Centurion has a much higher engine cap than its pre-3025 brethren and the same reason the AWS-9M and PB have such a higher engine cap vs. its pre-3025 8 series brethren. X models were originally slower because they were intended to be mock ups for testing and design instead of combat models.

I don't agree with it in the slightest but I understand it and abide by it. Would absolutely LOVE to see my wonderful 8 series get the same engine cap as the 9M and I know the Cent drivers are pissed that 2 of the 3 models are as slow as they are. But, as I have argued in the past, they were designed to be that way and, despite us having the freedome that we have in redesign from stock, we should continue to be limited in that way.

[Ultimax]

Straylight, on 10 April 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Many 'mechs fall outside the norms for their tonnage.

No mechs fall outside their tonnage vs. engine torso yaw/pitch speeds with a20 ton penalty, in the way that the Victor uses the Atlas' twisting speeds.

It's one thing to have a quirk, and quite another to have a 20 ton penalty factored into the calculation.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 11 April 2014 - 08:20 AM.