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[Klappspaten]

You are of course right. I got confused with the am/pm and the 24 hour system we use over here. I corrected it.

P.S. The format in this forum is ******* terrible. It totally ***** it up everytime I change something.

[Foo2rama]

The gmt +2 and gmt -7 are 9 hours different. There is 11 hours difference between the 2 times after your edit. I just want to make sure there are no issues.

Thanks!

[Klappspaten]

Id did **** up the formating but it didn´t save my changes. But its correct now, finally. Thanks for the heads up.

[Myrkky]

Seriously... finals are starting maybe in 1:00 am here..
Next time I hope you guys could split semi-finals and finals.

It is just "no no" if you have girlfriend or other social life and it goes like
"first play about hour, then wait 2 hour and play 1 hour more..."

I love that kind of tournament, but guys.. seriously, there are some competive players who still have a life.

Best regards

Myrkky from Aseveljet #2 (White Death Merc Corp)

[VXJaeger]

Reason why Donegals and AV1 are again in same group?

[Klappspaten]

VXJaeger, on 30 May 2014 - 01:12 AM, said:

Reason why Donegals and AV1 are again in same group?

The groupings are based on the points achieved, every round also functions as seeding for the next round. It just happens that your points placed you back in a group with them.

Myrkky, on 29 May 2014 - 11:27 PM, said:

Seriously... finals are starting maybe in 1:00 am here..
Next time I hope you guys could split semi-finals and finals.

It is just "no no" if you have girlfriend or other social life and it goes like
"first play about hour, then wait 2 hour and play 1 hour more..."

I love that kind of tournament, but guys.. seriously, there are some competive players who still have a life.

Best regards

Myrkky from Aseveljet #2 (White Death Merc Corp)

I dont know where you personally are from. But in Finland the very Grand Finale will start around 12pm and will end in 1am.
There is just noch changing to the times since we had players from all over the world, I need to find times where everyone is able to play.
Additionally there is not "but guys", there is only "but Klappspaten" and I am going in the 4th Satturday only comitted to this tournament. I wont split a 3 hour finale and make a fifth out of it, I got a personal life too, you know.

Edited by Klappspaten, 30 May 2014 - 02:30 AM.

[VXJaeger]

Klappspaten, on 30 May 2014 - 02:12 AM, said:

The groupings are based on the points achieved, every round also functions as seeding for the next round. It just happens that youre points placed you back in a group with them.

Ok, np

[Kh0rn]

Oooooo Finally a event with out poptart meta I should sign up for this one.

[Klappspaten]

Kh0rn, on 30 May 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Oooooo Finally a event with out poptart meta I should sign up for this one.

Its a bit late for that, but there will be another one sometime. But probably not too soon.

[Reno Blade]

His is the matching with the points?

e.g. round x will have 4winners. 2 teams with 10 points and 2 teams with 15 points.
then in the next round will it be the 10p vs 10p and 15p vs 15p or is it 10p vs 15p each?

[Klappspaten]

The initial matching for the finals will be high points vs. low points.
However the finals are going to be in dual elimination.

In the first drop of the finals the team with the most points will drop against the team with the second fewest points, the team with the second most points will drop against the team with the fewest points.

After that we will have a drop where winner fights winner and loser fights loser.

The winners of those matches will fight for first and second place and the losers of those matches will fight for third and fourth.

By then we have a team in the winners match that hasnt lost a single match in the finals so far, which will have to be beaten twice, because every team in the finals can survive one single loss.

Its a bit complicated but it is the most fair way to do it. Plus we get a lot of fun matches out of it.

[Sgt Helmet]

Klappspaten, on 30 May 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

By then we have a team in the winners match that hasnt lost a single match in the finals so far, which will have to be beaten twice, because every team in the finals can survive one single loss.

Let's have a slow motion replay from this?

We have winner from the 1st vs 3rd and winner from 2nd vs 4th. The winner of this "winners" match will be overall #1? So who is then beating them twice and in which point they can lose a match?

Or is the "winners" match best out of three?

Then back to studio and weather.

[Klappspaten]

I know its complicated.

We will have 4 Teams who will get into the final round. So for example:

Team #1 has 12 points

Team #2 has 11 points

Team #3 has 10 points

Team #4 has 9 points

In the first drop of the finals we will have two matches, team #1 with 12 points will fight against team #3 with 10 points and team #2 with 11 points will fight team #4 with 9 points.

In the second Drop the winners and the losers of those matches will fight each other. Lets say teams #1 and #4 have won, so #1 and #4 fight each other and #2 and #3 fight each other.

Then lets say teams #4 and #2 win, so in the third drop #4 fights against #2 for the first and second place and #1 fights against #3 for third and fourth place.

But in the finals team #4 would be unbeaten to this point, so team #2 would have win twice against them to secure the overall first place.

Its just an ordinary dual elimination modus.
At the end the team that gets fourth place would have lost all of their matches in the finals. The teams that get third and second would have won at least one, possibly two matches in the finals and the team that gets first place would have won 3 matches in the finals.

Edited by Klappspaten, 30 May 2014 - 08:59 AM.

[Reno Blade]

Klappspaten, on 30 May 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

I know its complicated.

We will have 4 Teams who will get into the final round. So for example:

Team #1 has 12 points

Team #2 has 11 points

Team #3 has 10 points

Team #4 has 9 points

In the first drop of the finals we will have two matches, team #1 with 12 points will fight against team #3 with 10 points and team #2 with 11 points will fight team #4 with 9 points.

In the second Drop the winners and the losers of those matches will fight each other. Lets say teams #1 and #4 have won, so #1 and #4 fight each other and #2 and #3 fight each other.

Then lets say teams #4 and #2 win, so in the third drop #4 fights against #2 for the first and second place and #1 fights against #3 for third and fourth place.

But in the finals team #4 would be unbeaten to this point, so team #2 would have win twice against them to secure the overall first place.

Its just an ordinary dual elimination modus.
At the end the team that gets fourth place would have lost all of their matches in the finals. The teams that get third and second would have won at least one, possibly two matches in the finals and the team that gets first place would have won 3 matches in the finals.

Please see the following comment as a constructive criticism.

In your example Team #2 and #4 fight in round 1 and round 3, but Team #1 does not fight against Team #2 and also Team #3 does not fight Team #4 at all.
But how can Team #1 get "only" third place if it never fights Team #4 (for second place) after fighting Team#3 twice?

In this case Team#1 won in round1, lost in round2 (vs #4) and then fights against Team #3 AGAIN, which can lead to 3rd or 4th place, but probably 3rd, because they already won in round1 against the same team.

Compare that to Team#2 that lost in roun1. Both #1 and #2 only lost one round, but Team#2 fights for first and second place, while Team#1 can ONLY fight for 3rd and 4th place.

please correct me, if I understood it wrong.

Why was such system choosen instead of a free for all?
Time saving seems not, if the finals are 1.5h after the semis.

Edited by Reno Blade, 30 May 2014 - 10:43 AM.

[Klappspaten]

The finals are NOT 1.5 hours after the semis, they will start directly after and take aproximately 1.5 hours.

But, yes you are absolutely right, the way I thought of doing it seems odd.
I guess we just do another free for all in which each team fights each other team. On second sight that seems more interesting and fair.

I´m still learning on the move after all.

[Reno Blade]

Klappspaten, on 30 May 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

The finals are NOT 1.5 hours after the semis, they will start directly after and take aproximately 1.5 hours.

But, yes you are absolutely right, the way I thought of doing it seems odd.
I guess we just do another free for all in which each team fights each other team. On second sight that seems more interesting and fair.

I´m still learning on the move after all.

Thanks for changing your organization again.
Good I made the graphic.
Same chances for everyone seems more fun for all of us.

[Klappspaten]

Im always happy fpr constructive criticism, just as I said, I´m learning on the move and I guess it cant be all perfect in just my second tournament. So, thanks for that.

[Sgt Helmet]

Ok, sound fair.

First i thought it to be "normal" playoff thingy, so I got confused. (Only minor detail of winning all of the drops left now...)

[VXJaeger]

We'll just kill you all. Easy

[Klappspaten]

Good news! The stream will be back for today.