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[At Least Three Bears]

So I am not certain that I didn't tk anyone, but i am very close to a strong maybe not. So i got tked, no biggies I can take it. I know karate after all, but I somehow got a tk penalty on xp.

This is the second time i see a tk on my end log, and that last time i was totally certain that i might have not done it.

I am a very gentle person, i like long walk in the park, and I sing soothing songs to my teammate ears when fighting next to them, i am pretty sure i don't shoot them in the nuts.

[Void Angel]

Unfortunately, this does not mean that they didn't shoulder in front of your line of fire. All my team kills (except that one Spider, but he had it coming) have been from people walking in front of me. Heck, one guy jumped down on top of me to steal the kill from my Locust - since I was actually inside his model, I couldn't tell that he was in front of me, and he went down to 4 machine-guns and a medium pulse laser.

Bottom line: it'll happen, and it's probably not intentional. If some near-dead light runs in front of your lasers, there's not a single thing you can do. Don't sweat it.

[Ironwithin]

Yeah it happens ...in the heat of the fight you sometimes don't even notice.
Tried shooting an enemy uphill once with several PPCs and missed, didn't pay any attention to where those shots actually went and kept fighting. Suddenly one of my group-mates tells me "woah why did you tk that guy?" and I was totally surprised by it...

[Magna Canus]

I have TKed 3 times in the last 1,5 years and each time was because somebody entered my firing line. Once was by accident and was actually a team mate on comms, once was when I was trying out the Boom Jager and somebody decided they could work my corner better and butted in (getting an accidental 40 damage in the spine), and once I accidentally jumped on a jenners head with a highlander and all that was left were a pair of twitching legs.

I have been TEMPTED to TK on purpose a couple of times, but luckilly resisted the potentially satisfying urge. When you cook a goose sometimes a leg is enough.

Edit: Numbers.... they hate me

Edited by Magnakanus, 22 April 2014 - 09:05 AM.

[Reggimus]

Magnakanus, on 20 April 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:

I have TKed 3 times in the last 2,5 years and each time was because somebody entered my firing line. Once was by accident and was actually a team mate on comms, once was when I was trying out the Boom Jager and somebody decided they could work my corner better and butted in (getting an accidental 4 damage in the spine), and once I accidentally jumped on a jenners head with a highlander and all that was left were a pair of twitching legs.

I have been TEMPTED to TK on purpose a couple of times, but luckilly resisted the potentially satisfying urge. When you cook a goose sometimes a leg is enough.

You know closed beta started May 22nd 2012 right, not even 2 full years yet......just sayin

Edited by Reggimus, 20 April 2014 - 05:46 PM.

[Modo44]

Random weapon discharges happen, so punishing for that would hurt a lot of innocent people. However, there should be an automatic penalty for deliberate TKs before the fighting really starts. I would remove all XP and Cbill gains from players who scored a TK before any damage vs the other team was done. They should also be automatically reported to the GMs for actions. Those instances are rare, but very easy to track, and not debatable as any of the typical random TKs.

[Caswallon]

Don't sweat it OP.

Funnyist TK "I" had was when a cored commando slammed into me at 100Kph+ and the impact finished off his last CT hit points..

I was heat shut down at the time

I got the TK penalty & the Abuse from said Commando pilot for not "getting the hell out of his way"
Would have really liked to buddy would have really liked to...

[Ironwithin]

Modo44, on 20 April 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

Random weapon discharges happen, so punishing for that would hurt a lot of innocent people. However, there should be an automatic penalty for deliberate TKs before the fighting really starts. I would remove all XP and Cbill gains from players who scored a TK before any damage vs the other team was done. They should also be automatically reported to the GMs for actions. Those instances are rare, but very easy to track, and not debatable as any of the typical random TKs.

That's not a good idea.
Sometimes you get trolls who don't TK outright but instead just shoot the legs off of your lights for example. You have to take those idiots out quickly.
I think the penalties for teamkilling we have now are sufficient, you don't see a lot of deliberate TKing(way less than in any other shooter I ever played) and when you do you can just report the guy.

[Modo44]

Ironwithin, on 21 April 2014 - 02:23 AM, said:

Sometimes you get trolls who don't TK outright but instead just shoot the legs off of your lights for example. You have to report those idiots out quickly.

FTFT. Really, all TKs are against the rules. You are not the police, stand the **** down.

[Ironwithin]

Modo44, on 21 April 2014 - 02:25 AM, said:

FTFT. Really, all TKs are against the rules. You are not the police, stand the **** down.

So....you'd rather the idiot runs around legging your whole team 'cause mommy can't come to the phone right now ?

That was just an example though, the point being: way less tking in MWO than you'd expect from a shooter, no need to penalize it more.

[Egomane]

Ironwithin, on 21 April 2014 - 02:37 AM, said:

So....you'd rather the idiot runs around legging your whole team 'cause mommy can't come to the phone right now ?

Yes!

As he said: ALL intentional teamkills are against the rules and a reportable offense. The judges for this game are the gamemasters at support. They are the only ones allowed to punish players for their behavior. If you take justice into your own hands, you are making their jobs that much harder instead of giving them a clear situation to judge about. It might lead to griefers having a longer lifetime in MWO then they should have.

[Bigbacon]

sometimes weird stuff just happens as well.

I had a player bitching up a storm at me the other day because i was firing at him (didn't kill but damaged heavily)

there was no marker over his head nor was there a marker on my map for a friendly...so I started shooting...

i think a FF penalty is wrong because so many factors can make you FF and many of them are out of your control. We are already penalized for a TK.

Edited by Bigbacon, 22 April 2014 - 06:31 AM.

[Tesunie]

Caswallon, on 21 April 2014 - 01:14 AM, said:

Don't sweat it OP.

Funnyist TK "I" had was when a cored commando slammed into me at 100Kph+ and the impact finished off his last CT hit points..

I was heat shut down at the time

I got the TK penalty & the Abuse from said Commando pilot for not "getting the hell out of his way"
Would have really liked to buddy would have really liked to...

I had a similar incident myself, except in reverse. I was in a light, with a nearly blown off leg. I ran into someone else and blew off my leg, leaving me limping. That person continued to say how sorry they were. I kept telling them it was my fault, I ran into them...

Egomane, on 21 April 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

Yes!

As he said: ALL intentional teamkills are against the rules and a reportable offense. The judges for this game are the gamemasters at support. They are the only ones allowed to punish players for their behavior. If you take justice into your own hands, you are making their jobs that much harder instead of giving them a clear situation to judge about. It might lead to griefers having a longer lifetime in MWO then they should have.

I've been told before (and I don't mind updating my information here) that one could defend themselves if they were being attacked by a friendly mech. I normally give them one free shot. A written warning. They shoot me again, I normally return fire by that point in self defense.

If this is incorrect, please correct me so I don't end up getting reported myself... (I've only had to do it once so far, and it didn't result in a TK, so I guess that wasn't bad so far.)