42 replies to this topic

[OneEyed Jack]

Deathlike, on 21 April 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Spamtastic.

Pretty sure spam has nothing to do with ham, either.... or anything else resembling meat....

[Roadbeer]

OneEyed Jack, on 21 April 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

Pretty sure spam has nothing to do with ham, either.... or anything else resembling meat....

Lies

[Abaddonis]

Rum ham!

[OneEyed Jack]

Roadbeer, on 21 April 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Lies

Psshaw!

If they knew what they were talking about, they wouldn't have said pork and ham.

[Hawks]

DONTOR, on 21 April 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

As for your post AMS, does alot against chain fired LRMs but seems to do very little against big volleys.

This.

[Ultimax]

Ham is unfortunately underpowered in the current front loaded pinapple meta.

[AlmightyAeng]

Pyrrho, on 21 April 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

If you have AMS, and you loaded ammo for it, you have exploding ammo in your 'mech. Also, keep in mind that AMS doesn't negate incoming fire, it shoots down a percentage of incoming fire. With 2 AMS units equipped you are twice as effective, but still not enough so to stop more than 10-15 missiles per salvo.

Will AMS protect you in the open from all missiles? No. Will it shoot down the first few in a volley that are headed your way as you scramble for cover? YES! Tadaaaa. Useful.

Will it block a crapton of missiles when grouped with other AMS mechs? YES. Not entirely, but significantly enough to allow you to push under fire.

[FupDup]

HAM-mer time!

[Ovion]

Yeah, AMS isn't mean to be a hard counter to LRMs (though it can be SRMs and LRM5s curiously enough).
But then an AMS is 1.5 tons and costs 202,000 c-bills, LRM20s start at 11tons and 530,000 c-bills, so it shouldn't be.

It should only kill 4-7 missiles a salve, it's meant to take the edge off.
2 should stop 8-15.
So a Volley of 30 will still have 15-22 missiles hitting you.

[Joseph Mallan]

daehawk, on 21 April 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Cause it seems broken ...BAD. I have a Thunderbolt 9S with TWO AMS and missiles just keep slamming me left and right. Just now I got hit from 2 missile salvos and simply exploded...and I have no explodable ammo or Xl engine..wtf.

AMS does not I will repeat that DOES NOT stop all incoming missiles, not even two of them. If the barrage is large enough AMS should feel pretty useless.

Laughably on TT AMS could spend an entire ton of ammo and only shoot down 1 missile. Trust me our AMS is way better than what I removed for a decade.

[Sephlock]

daehawk, on 21 April 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Cause it seems broken ...BAD. I have a Thunderbolt 9S with TWO AMS and missiles just keep slamming me left and right. Just now I got hit from 2 missile salvos and simply exploded...and I have no explodable ammo or Xl engine..wtf.

Trichinosis

Edited by Sephlock, 22 April 2014 - 05:38 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

I already didn't like Ham Sep!

[Appogee]

Mcgral18, on 21 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Each AMS takes down 6 or so missiles directed towards you, so you're only taking out at least 10. If an LRM50 volley hits you, you're still taking 44 damage.

Only about half a big LRM volley hits you on average.

Assuming the AMS takes out missiles that will and won't hit you in equal proportions, dual-AMS means you'll take about 20 points of damage from the LRM 50 volley. With single AMS it would be more like 23.

Of course that varies with range, whether you're moving quickly, whether there's any cover about, etc.

[Rushin Roulette]

It is all down to what upgrades you put in

DHS > SHS
Bacon > Ham
Cover+LRM > AMS+LRM

[Bobzilla]

Does 2 ams function twice as good as one? It's a question i've wondered.

Do both ams function together as one on the same missle, destroying it faster but still waiting the delay to move on to the next?
Do both ams funtion together but target separately, as to select 2 different missles at a time?
Do both ams function completly independant, sometimes targeting the same missle, sometimes not?

I'm guessing the 3rd is the case and dual ams ends up being not double the efficency of one. But it could very well be the first so dual ams are only slightly better than one. I say this because when using LRMs dual doesn't seem much better than single.

[Ultimax]

Ghost Badger, on 21 April 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

Will AMS protect you in the open from all missiles? No. Will it shoot down the first few in a volley that are headed your way as you scramble for cover? YES! Tadaaaa. Useful.

Will it block a crapton of missiles when grouped with other AMS mechs? YES. Not entirely, but significantly enough to allow you to push under fire.

AMS as a force multiplier is better the more of it that is present, and generally a touch weak on its own.

Unfortunately if few people on your team bring it, bringing your own is probably tonnage better spent elsewhere.

Which leads to a cycle of people bringing it, and not wanting to pay the AMS tax on their builds.


Usually I make a choice between AMS and BAP, depending on how many slots & tons I have left. I'd love to have both on every build but sometimes the build is too tight.

[Wildstreak]

Ham is OP, it is so OP the Cat in the Hat complained it nerfed Green Eggs.



Bacon = Ham, it is where Bacon comes from.
SPAM = Ham too.

Philosophy Question of the Day for the Intellectuals.
If you can get Hammered and Spammed, why can you not get Baconed?

[Davers]

Roadbeer, on 21 April 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Lies

Hold it. Why are they making a distinction between pork and ham?

[Roadbeer]

Davers, on 22 April 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Hold it. Why are they making a distinction between pork and ham?

I suppose is that because Ham is a specific cut of of the pig.

It would be like saying "Ground beef and sirloin", sure there is ground sirloin as well, but it's sold as such.

They could just as well say "Chopped pork loin, pork belly, pork butt, ham and cheeks" but that's a bit wordy.

Edited by Roadbeer, 22 April 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[Corbon Zackery]

Because they increased the speed of the LRMs the AMS system has less time to react to the missiles.

AMS kicks in at 200 meters the missiles are traveling at a 160m/s

1 meter to 1 m/s ratio so the AMS has 1.5 m/s to engage and destroy the missiles.

So its shooting down less missiles.

Out of a LRM 20 it will shoot 2 to 3 missiles at the current speed.

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 22 April 2014 - 08:18 AM.