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[MuonNeutrino]

Anyone got any opinions on leaving the DHS upgrade on mechs that have 20 or more SHS stock?

I.e. the stock atlas AS7-D has 20 single heatsinks. With the way internal and external DHS work in MWO, that is the exact same amount of cooling as 10 built-in DHS. Would it therefore be acceptable to run an atlas D with the stock weapons/armor/etc, just removing all the SHS and running with only the engine DHS? It is the exact same amount of cooling, so the only difference I can see is that the engine-internal heatsinks can't be critted. However, that atlas also wouldn't benefit from increased cooling from standing in water, and would have less crit-padding, so I personally don't think he'd be at any real advantage.

There are several mechs that this would work for - several stalkers, atlases, and a banshee, at least. That would allow people to more easily bring a wider variety of mechs to these events.

[Alaskan Nobody]

MuonNeutrino, on 12 May 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Anyone got any opinions on leaving the DHS upgrade on mechs that have 20 or more SHS stock?

Changing 20SHS to just the engine heatsinks (assuming a 250 or higher engine) still saves you 10 tons.

[Sybreed]

Shar Wolf, on 12 May 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Changing 20SHS to just the engine heatsinks (assuming a 250 or higher engine) still saves you 10 tons.

exactly... that's a big NOPE

btw I have a bunch of mechs ready for tonight... I even bought a new Phract 1x for it.

[Orbit Rain]

It's somethig to think about. Generally I'd say no for now. I think on the non-event nights people would probably have no problem with that substitution. Still trying to keep Pandora's box closed, that mynx.

[Sybreed]

Orbit Rain, on 12 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

It's somethig to think about. Generally I'd say no for now. I think on the non-event nights people would probably have no problem with that substitution. Still trying to keep Pandora's box closed, that mynx.

well, unless he doesn't spend the freed 10 tons on something else, then I don't really see the issue.

[MuonNeutrino]

Sybreed, on 12 May 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

well, unless he doesn't spend the freed 10 tons on something else, then I don't really see the issue.

Exactly. For clarification, the mech's actual equipment, armor, etc would all be 100% stock, it would just end up way underweight. In game, it would play exactly like a stock AS7-D - same weapons, same ammo, same armor, same cooling, etc. The only difference would be what I noted in my post about the heat sinks not being crittable but also not having leg HS for water cooling and not having heat sinks crit-padding weapons.

[TygerLily]

Rhaythe, on 12 May 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

...or haven't figured out where in the site you indicate that!

Ah, I might need to make it more visible some how but...there is a thread in the admin section called "Tags: The Forum Kind Not the Raven 3L Kind" for people to let me know what they need tagged as, want changed, etc.

MuonNeutrino, on 12 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Exactly. For clarification, the mech's actual equipment, armor, etc would all be 100% stock, it would just end up way underweight. In game, it would play exactly like a stock AS7-D - same weapons, same ammo, same armor, same cooling, etc. The only difference would be what I noted in my post about the heat sinks not being crittable but also not having leg HS for water cooling and not having heat sinks crit-padding weapons.

Quoting Skyer Stralende from our forums:
"Comparing the AS7-D stock 20 SHS and with 10DHS on smurphy, everything about heat dissipation and heat capacity is identical. The only difference between the DHS 'shortcut' and FF/Endo is that the DHS are housed in the engine and cannot be critted.

This can be advantageous if any of your limbs or torsos are blown off because, unlike the pure stock AS7-D, you will retain full heat management.

One of the most significant features of Stock Mech Monday is the uniformity of each variant's loadout. If I destroy the right arm and left leg of a stock AS7-D, I expect it to lose 3 heat sinks and a medium laser."

And it's not too expensive to make the transition. Like the Endo/Ferro "trick", I would truly only advise it as a temporary solution! I think if we all give ourselves a strict line not to cross regarding modification we'll be better off in the long run with our little stock community!

Edited by TygerLily, 12 May 2014 - 03:20 PM.

[Lordred]

pure stock mechs sounds like a blast to be honest, a blast that I would like to attend and take screenshots of

[Photec]

I'd love to do this, but the timing.. 4 in the morning here :\

[Lukoi Banacek]

75 pilots in SMM atm.

Noooot a bad showing.

[Redshift2k5]

Had lots of fun, +1, would stock again

[TheForce]

Koniving, on 12 May 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

I'd like it if all stock mechs became available as trials at all times, or even in a stock mech mode with no unlocks and readily available stock mechs.

me too (see link in sig)!

[Lordred]

Soo many screenshots 626 screenshots, going though them to find the best.

[Wildstreak]

General Taskeen, on 12 May 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

All those 'Mechs are pretty fun Lordred. I'm missing the SP though. Also the 8Q is a beast in Stock like its supposed to be. An Atlas or Battlemaster paired with an Awesome is a terrifying sight.

Odd, I figure the 8Q is as vulnerable as some LRM boats, get within 90m of, nothing but a SL for defense unless he has good allies.
Similar weakness on some other stock like a Griffin-1N.

[General Taskeen]

Basically that would be the only reason to pick an 8Q depending on your lance make-up (makes a good pair with a close range assault while the 8Q lays down long range fire). Its unfortunate though that PGI did not add the field inhibitor.

Also we had 75 pilots show up, hells yeah!

Edited by General Taskeen, 12 May 2014 - 07:02 PM.

[InRev]

Lordred, on 12 May 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Soo many screenshots 626 screenshots, going though them to find the best.

I honestly can't wait to see them. Thanks for documenting this event!

[TygerLily]

70+ pilots tonight! More than last week! Killer!

Lordred, on 12 May 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Soo many screenshots 626 screenshots, going though them to find the best.

Thanks man! We are honored by your presence!

Photec, on 12 May 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

I'd love to do this, but the timing.. 4 in the morning here :\

Hey Photec, I'm looking in to setting up a more "time appropriate" version of this...do me a favor and post here: http://mechforceclas...ock-mech-monday

[East Indy]

Hunchlance!

[GunnyKintaro 01]

Thanks for the games had a great time see you all next Monday !

[Lordred]

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