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[Ryoken]

Dear PGI,

there are several threads where people complain about the unability to change camo patterns on Founders, Hero and Phoenix mechs. This, in case of Founders and Phoenix mechs directly correlates with the problem that you design mechs with different design features - but you do not support those mechs with the needed camo patterns!

While the differences in design for Founders and Phoenix mechs were just small you take this problem to the next level with the Clan Collections Prime variants, or as they seem to be called now the "Invasion" variants.

I just noticed that you PGI decided to deny the correct rounded leg geometry of the Timberwolf to all players that are not Clan Collection buyers:

To me this is a very bad move! Every player should be able to get a Timberwolf with the correct podlike rounded legs.

But it also goes the other way around, as I think Alex did an improvement by changing the correct geometry humanoid hands the Invasion Stormcrow has into what looks like claws at the Standard Stormcrow all other players get:

And sometimes as in case for the Adder the quick adaption of original TRO art features like the panel of the Adders belly box onto the ingame Adder model which has been altered to allow Torso twist results in extreme boxyness:


Plus - it has allready been confirmed that all Invasion Models of the Clan mechs from the Collectors packages will suffer the same camo pattern restrictions all Founders, Hero and Phoenix mechs got allready! Beeing pinned down to but one pattern only!


So first I beg PGI to make the correct shape of Timberwolf legs available to ALL players!

And second I beg PGI to let collection buyers change the design on their 30% C-bill bonus mechs as they please! (For example using clawed standard Stormcrow with 30% C-bill bonus instead of Invasion Stormcrow)

And last but not least I beg PGI to get camo pattern support on Founders, Hero, Phoenix and Invasion mechs - or at least let us switch them to standard geometry and than pick a camo pattern. Either way let paying customers enjoy the 30% C-bill bonus AND individualize their mechs!

[Dustee]

Ryoken, on 25 April 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Plus - it has allready been confirmed that all Invasion Models of the Clan mechs from the Collectors packages will suffer the same camo pattern restrictions all Founders, Hero and Phoenix mechs got allready! Beeing pinned down to but one pattern only!

Wait, that means I can't buy a different camo pattern for any of the clan mechs if I get a pack?

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Dustee, on 25 April 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

Wait, that means I can't buy a different camo pattern for any of the clan mechs if I get a pack?

The prime variants with unique geometry/camo pattern cannot be changed. All other variants can. Same as phoenix, same as founders.

Edited by Rouken, 25 April 2014 - 03:05 PM.

[Daekar]

Dustee, on 25 April 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

Wait, that means I can't buy a different camo pattern for any of the clan mechs if I get a pack?

The impression I got was that the Prime variant will be locked to one camp pattern but will be color-changeable like the Founder's mechs are. Come to think of it though, I have no source to cite for this assumption. Anybody care to post a quote clarifying?

As for the geometry differences in the OP, I really don't care. They all look great.

EDIT: God, I hope the Stormcrow doesn't suck. Every time I look at the concept art I get more excited.

Edited by Daekar, 25 April 2014 - 03:11 PM.

[Kooky Carter]

I noticed the rounding of the ankles on the Timber Wolf and the other Revival 'mechs as well and I really like it. It seems to me that all of the 'special edition' 'mechs have a skin that is supposed to be reminiscent of their original Battletech design. For example, the Founder's Catapult has the pointed nose which was a drastic enough difference that I ended up purchasing the Legendary Founder's Pack because I thought it was awesome and I wanted the Hunchback.

I think they've done something similar with the Timber Wolf; the rounded ankles aren't the art style of MWO but are reminiscent of the original TRO design. And I think that is the point of the 'special edition' 'mechs - they are designs that are different and a little more special to those that are willing to pay the money for them. If you compare the concept art of the Revival 'mechs and the standard 'mechs you'll notice that the Dire Wolf and the Warhawk have similar design differences as the Timber Wolf.

I think it would be cool to have camo support on the Founders, Phoenix, and Revival 'mechs but I doubt it'll happen. It's also not that big of a deal to me since I never buy camos and just make everything green with highlights anyway; I'll likely do the same the Revival 'mechs too.

[Mazzyplz]

Ryoken, on 25 April 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

it seems the bigger belly comes with an extra hardpoint in there, it looks like a laser, so... it evens out???

[Davers]

This is honestly the most important conversation ever held on this, or any, forum.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Daekar, on 25 April 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

EDIT: God, I hope the Stormcrow doesn't suck. Every time I look at the concept art I get more excited.

Configuration B will go +100kph after tweak and has a UAC20 and 6 ER Medium lasers. Worry not!

As for the legs being rounded. I don't care. It looks good blocky too.

Edited by Rouken, 25 April 2014 - 03:17 PM.

[Elkfire]

Rouken, on 25 April 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Configuration B will go +100kph after tweak and has a UAC20 and 6 ER Medium lasers. Worry not!

As for the legs being rounded. I don't care. It looks good blocky too.

Yeah, as far as the Clan mediums go thus far, the Stormcrow seems way better than the Nova.

[Durant Carlyle]

This is just like the Founders and Phoenix 'Mechs.

Now you complain, just because you like the 'special' geometry better.

Typical.

[Fang01]

So many threads about nonsense...are the RSI forums down or something?

[DONTOR]

Im very excited about getting the rounded leg version! You want it? you better support this game and the mech you lov,e and buy it.

[Ryoken]

Durant Carlyle, on 25 April 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

This is just like the Founders and Phoenix 'Mechs.
Now you complain, just because you like the 'special' geometry better.
Typical.

DONTOR, on 25 April 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Im very excited about getting the rounded leg version! You want it? you better support this game and the mech you lov,e and buy it.

Look again. I support this game from the very beginning and I allready ordered my clan collection long ago.

Yet I can understand that a lot of players complaining about the boxy legs of the Timberwolf.
http://mwomercs.com/...shots-revealed/

And therefore, as I do with Founders, Hero and Phoenix mechs, I think it would be good to give the players the freedom to fully individualize their mechs, especially if they payed and supported the game for it.

[Simbacca]

Ryoken, on 25 April 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Dear PGI,

there are several threads where people complain about the unability to change camo patterns on Founders, Hero and Phoenix mechs. This, in case of Founders and Phoenix mechs directly correlates with the problem that you design mechs with different design features - but you do not support those mechs with the needed camo patterns!

While the differences in design for Founders and Phoenix mechs were just small you take this problem to the next level with the Clan Collections Prime variants, or as they seem to be called now the "Invasion" variants.

I just noticed that you PGI decided to deny the correct rounded leg geometry of the Timberwolf to all players that are not Clan Collection buyers:

You will also note, the unique geometry on the arms of the Timberwolf. Clan Package has those bars, while the non-package lacks them. This is the same thing that was done with the Phoenix Mechs, with the Locust-1V(P) getting the worst end of the unique Geometry -- as that geometry (cockpit crash cage) ended up obscuring the cockpit view -- which makes the 1V(P) harder to pilot.

Edited by Simbacca, 26 April 2014 - 06:42 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I'm not that picky when it comes to the model differences between MC and C-Bill variants. I do like that the Catapult C1(F) has the beak vs other Catapults, but things like a different shaped leg or a slightly boxier torso seem inconsequential to me honestly.

I don't think the Founders or Hero mechs should have changeable camo. I like the how the color can be changed (so players can have some variety or match their premade clan colors), but the camo needs to stay specific. just IMO.

[Ryoken]

MeiSooHaityu, on 26 April 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

I don't think the Founders or Hero mechs should have changeable camo. I like the how the color can be changed (so players can have some variety or match their premade clan colors), but the camo needs to stay specific. just IMO.

You missunderstood my proposal. I do not want the Founders or Hero camo to be abandoned. You can still use your Founders and Hero camo on your mechs, it will just give other players the ability to change the camo without altering your personal owned mechs camo.

Simbacca, on 26 April 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

You will also note, the unique geometry on the arms of the Timberwolf. Clan Package has those bars, while the non-package lacks them. This is the same thing that was done with the Phoenix Mechs, with the Locust-1V(P) getting the worst end of the unique Geometry -- as that geometry (cockpit crash cage) ended up obscuring the cockpit view -- which makes the 1V(P) harder to pilot.

Yes this is also a good example where players that rather go for performance than beeing "unique" get hindered by PGIs design/camo philisophy.

Edited by Ryoken, 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Elkfire, on 25 April 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

Yeah, as far as the Clan mediums go thus far, the Stormcrow seems way better than the Nova.

I wouldn't count the Nova out. Jumpjets, should be able to swap out for some ballistics, and who knows maybe we will get 15 damage ER PPCs.

[Elkfire]

Rouken, on 26 April 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

I wouldn't count the Nova out. Jumpjets, should be able to swap out for some ballistics, and who knows maybe we will get 15 damage ER PPCs.

I'm not so much counting it out as I am biased towards the Stormcrow in the first place, to be honest (one of my favorite mechs from MW4). I'll definitely grant you the point about jumpjets, though. Otherwise, it just seems like there are going to be a lot of wasted energy hardpoints on the Nova since boating that much energy with MWO's heat system is suicide.

Edited by Elkfire, 26 April 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[AEgg]

As long as both variants share the same hitboxes, I couldn't care less how different they are.

If they DONT share hitboxes though, we have a problem.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Rouken, I understood. I just don't think Hero mechs should have their camo selectable at all. A Hero mechs custom camo should stay mandatory. Just allow the colors to be changed.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 27 April 2014 - 08:04 AM.