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#21 Lakevren

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:20 AM

View PostVulpesveritas, on 19 June 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Well, keep in mind the 7970 is also quite a bit faster in GPU computing, and if you do any overclocking it is faster. The 670 is a great card, however I like more options personally... but that's me. In the end, either is fine.

As far as CPUs go, thank you for posting a CPU that is not the one I was using. I was using the 4/4.2ghz FX-6200, which is a faster gaming processor, and slightly faster than the 1100t BE.
Also, thank you for using a couple of nearly four year old games for your benchmarks as well. lol. Keep in mind more and more games take advantage of extra cores, and DX11 reduces the CPU usage of a processor. And that at those settings the CPU didn't really make much of a difference on frames per second in the DX11 title. On the first run, the 1100t, despite being a hexacore, was slower than a quad core based on an older AMD architecture with a slightly higher clock rate, showing that it was not taking advantage of multithreading like most modern titles.


I updated the previous post to explain further. And trying to find a benchmark on an FX-6200 is quite difficult.
Also the source is this: http://www.anandtech...fx8150-tested/8 Yes, Civ 5 has an advantage there, from all the AMD processors, in fact. Then you have the power consumption, which is a bit problematic in comparison. Sure, if you don't care about your power bill it might be fine. In the end, the GPU is going to be the larger of the power consumption, not the CPU.
The only FX-6200 review I've found within a couple of minutes that is a bit more recent (though the engine is old as hell, but there are no other benchmarks):
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Mighty fine when overclocked. But if not? Still inferior to the 1100T. But if we included overclocking, then we can't ignore i5 2500k's overclocking capabilities.

As for the GPU Computing, yes, 7970 is better. However, what requires, for an average gamer, that much power for GPU computing? Is it even relevant? Maybe for curiosity's sake, but even as an enthusiast I find little usage for it. Alright, if it isn't relevant now, then it might be relevant in the future, but by then maybe one should get a better video card.



To get back on track:
Just note that ibuypower isn't exactly the best site to order from. They tend to have quality control issues, though that was from a few years ago that I have heard and read and etc. You can google it yourself if you'd like to see if they are indeed reliable. This is largely from a hardware standpoint. But at the same time, don't select the crappy hardware. There is one thing about ibuypower what not to do: Never ever select the overclocking service, because they do it sloppily. It may be too much voltage, or the memory ratio is completely off.
Don't get me wrong, I used to recommend them until the ones I recommended ibuypower to started complaining about it.
Cyberpower might be a safer bet. Might. But personally, I'd rather build everything, but it's only because I've built a good amount already.

As for the PSU, don't underestimate 650W. On a very good PSU, that's more than enough. If it's a poor cheap PSU, that might barely cut it. The Corsair TX650 is more than enough for most CPUs + GTX 670.

Edited by Lakevren, 20 June 2012 - 12:24 AM.


#22 Vulpesveritas

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:27 AM

View PostLakevren, on 20 June 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:


I updated the previous post to explain further. And trying to find a benchmark on an FX-6200 is quite difficult.
Also the source is this: http://www.anandtech...fx8150-tested/8 Yes, Civ 5 has an advantage there, from all the AMD processors, in fact. Then you have the power consumption, which is a bit problematic in comparison. Sure, if you don't care about your power bill it might be fine. In the end, the GPU is going to be the larger of the power consumption, not the CPU.
The only FX-6200 review I've found within a couple of minutes that is a bit more recent (though the engine is old as hell, but there are no other benchmarks):
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Source: http://www.pcper.com...lldozer-Refresh

Mighty fine when overclocked. But if not? Still inferior to the 1100T. But if we included overclocking, then we can't ignore i5 2500k's overclocking capabilities.

As for the GPU Computing, yes, 7970 is better. However, what requires, for an average gamer, that much power for GPU computing? Is it even relevant? Maybe for curiosity's sake, but even as an enthusiast I find little usage for it. Alright, if it isn't relevant now, then it might be relevant in the future, but by then maybe one should get a better video card.



To get back on track:
Just note that ibuypower isn't exactly the best site to order from. They tend to have quality control issues, though that was from a few years ago that I have heard and read and etc. You can google it yourself if you'd like to see if they are indeed reliable. This is largely from a hardware standpoint. But at the same time, don't select the crappy hardware. There is one thing about ibuypower what not to do: Never ever select the overclocking service, because they do it sloppily. It may be too much voltage, or the memory ratio is completely off.
Don't get me wrong, I used to recommend them until the ones I recommended ibuypower to started complaining about it.
Cyberpower might be a safer bet.

As for the PSU, don't underestimate 650W. On a very good PSU, that's more than enough. If it's a poor cheap PSU, that might barely cut it. The Corsair TX650 is more than enough for most CPUs + GTX 670.

As much as I would like to say one bench and it's done, it's not. It's a single source and therefore only a single point of reference, nothing by which one can make an educated or rational conclusion based off of. Also the 2500k is also $50 more than the 6200 if you're buying from any credible internet retailer.

That debate aside, on GPGPU you seem to not be taking into account bitcoin mining or many F@H options... though sadly not well known to the mainstream it seems, they are always things to consider.

Moving on to prebuilds, I highly recommend going with cyberpower and the Radeon HD 7950 which is on sale there it seems... given that it's coming out cheaper than a 7870 and all.

#23 Scilya

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:20 AM

wow a full bowen discusion
ok lets do my build id recomend
(buy the way i agree with vulps on amd vs intell cpus and also on radeon vs nvidea but i still dont like buldozer chips ^^)

CPU = 960T will overclock to 4GHZ no problem unless you get a bad chip also HIGH chance of unlocking 1 or 2 cores on it puts its performance past the FX-8150 - $150 (id even go for a 975 over a FX)
http://www.ebay.com/...=item20c55d28b8

RAM = G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1600 9-9-9-9-24) - $47
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231428

PSU = OCZ ZT Series 750W Fully-Modular 80PLUS Bronze - $110
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817341052

MotherBord = ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX - $174
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131736

GPU = DIAMOND 7970PE53GDD Double Black Diamond Edition Overclocked Radeon HD 7970 3GB $459
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814103210

case wize set asside $120 and have a look for something you like some do perform better than outhers but remember its what your gonna be looking at r the next fiew years so make sure it looks good

TIM > same one as vulp said - $12
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835426020

hard drive same> Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB (or go on ebay and get some cheep seccond hand ones) - $75
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136769

cpu fan > http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835226051 nothing special any aftermarket fan is ok - $33

oh dvd drive $20

OS> downoad windows 7 instal and update it from microsoft site you dont need to buy it dont activate it, if u can live with a black background on your desctop, outherwise fork out $100

cant remember if i forgot anything cmes to grand total of,... $1188 if you dont bother buying windows ^^
altho saying that u probbly wont spend $120 on a case i also went a bit expensive with some stuff like the motherbord so can trim it down

additional note for those talking **** about the 7970 please shhhhh i dont care if you have gone on to your review site and seen 1 review and taken it as gospel truth
there are differences between the cards and the 7970 does it for me the 680 does not

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:19 PM

I have had one of these PSU's for a while, and have not had a single problem. If I ever do, it has a lifetime warranty.

http://www.tigerdire...6567&CatId=2533





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