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[Mystere]

Jun Watarase, on 27 April 2014 - 03:21 AM, said:

2 variants that you probably do not want to use at all. Which is kind of what happened with the phoenix package. Not to mention you could have bought those variants with c-bills since they have no 30% c-bill bonus attached to it.

If my reading of how clan variants will work, I will be able to mix and match omnipods. That is more flexible than just having 3 mech variants. Of course, it depends on what type of pods the other variants have as well.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jun Watarase, on 27 April 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

Packaging useless crap that you would most likely neve use is not "good value". Its a common marketing trick...im actually taking marketing now...its one of the most common sales strategies in the world. Package your product with a "Free gift" worth "x dollars" which in reality is only worth a tiny fraction of that...and most people just eat it up. They dont even care if its something they will put in a drawer and forget about for the next 5 years till they do some spring cleaning.

Ask all the legendary founders how many of them got a great deal with "4 mechs and 4 free mech bays!". Most of them will probably tell you that well, the only decent mech they got was the jenner, and even that became sub optimal once ECM was out...most founders havent even used their premium time or MC. So in reality they paid for early beta access and a jenner. For something to the tune of $120. I know plenty of legendary founders who bought the pack for 4 free mechs and didnt realise that most of those mechs were going to turn out to be junk. I also know people who bought the overlord package and regretted it once they realised that most of the mechs and variants they got were junk and they would never use them, or the mechbays.

You dont even need a lot of mechbays because there is no real advantage to having lots of mechs, since you can only take one into a match with you anyway.

So you've taken a poll with all the Founders and came to those conclusions?

Most of the Founder's in my unit used their Premium Time long ago. Only reason the Founder's Atlas fell into disuse was ECM on the DDC became the must have. The Catapult and Hunchback are still fine mechs that get regular play, and inmy case I hate the Jenner, it being the only one I don't touch. EVER.

Mystere, on 27 April 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

If my reading of how clan variants will work, I will be able to mix and match omnipods. That is more flexible than just having 3 mech variants. Of course, it depends on what type of pods the other variants have as well.

don't confuse people with facts and logic!

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Only reason to order "a la carte" would be if you REALLY wanted a "Hero/Founder version of a single mech (and it's 2 variants), like the TimberWolf or WarHawk, but did not want to play any of the lower tier mechs. If you want a WarHawk, for instance, but none for the rest, 55 bucks is a very much better price than 240, no matter how much else you get for it. Though it might be even better to simply wait for the Hero version of said mech, unless you just don't want to wait that long.

As for the packages themselves, whatever PGI has not done right, the packages have always delivered what was advertised, which has been good value. The A la Carte, not so enamored with, mostly because I don't get the reasoning where I should spend the exact same amount for 3 WarHawks (85 tons) as I do for 3 KitFoxes (30 tons)

Yes, $55 is better than the Founder Pack I bought. Not a complain, but a observation. I got ONE mech for $80, For $55 Clanners get 3, It is a better deal.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 April 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

Yes, $55 is better than the Founder Pack I bought. Not a complain, but a observation. I got ONE mech for $80, For $55 Clanners get 3, It is a better deal.

Playing through CB was the value for me. Bugs and all, I miss CB. Even with the lack of content, I had more fun!

[Creovex]

Takeshi Kitano, on 26 April 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

To be honest - I see no reason for al a carte .... The diffrences in the prices are really big, so i decided to order the Mad Cat Package, maybe upgrading to Masakari, cause i never would get the C Bills to buy the Mechs i Like in this Package.

Generally the packages are a decent deal for the price. However, I applaud PGI for putting in the "a la carte" as I love all the mechs, but may just want to play the Timberwolf/MadCat so why should I have to dump a ton of money for one item? Now if they tiered it differently where you got to choose what mechs went in each bundle (1 mech bundle, 2 mech bundle, etc) then I would buy the package without a second guess.

@OP
The answer to this question is better found by asking yourself the most important two questions of all.... How much time do you feel you can/want to put into this game and how long do you see yourself playing this game? If you have 1-2 hours a week, then a package with a ton of mechs is almost worthless to you as you could never level most of them even close to master.

[Bishop Steiner]

Creovex, on 28 April 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:

@OP
The answer to this question is better found by asking yourself the most important two questions of all.... How much time do you feel you can/want to put into this game and how long do you see yourself playing this game? If you have 1-2 hours a week, then a package with a ton of mechs is almost worthless to you as you could never level most of them even close to master.

Well, one might argue the other side, depending on resources available. 1-2 Hours a week would definitely mean they are not going to be able to grind the cbills to own ANY of the above in a reasonable time span, either. SO I would say how long a person envisions playing the game might mean more than the actual amount of free time to do so per week. Heck I still got some of my Phoenix and Founders not mastered..... can't say I am losing sleep over it!

[Khobai]

Founders was a great deal
Phoenix was a good deal
Clan Packs are a terrible deal

Russ' reasoning was that clan mechs cost more cbills so they should cost more $. Well heres where that reasoning fails: clan mechs cost more cbills because theyre supposed to be BETTER. When you make clan mechs equal to IS mechs you remove the reason why they should cost more cbills. So theres no reason clan mechs should cost 50% more $ than IS mechs.

Basically what happened was IGP saw how much money Star Citizen was raking in and thought they could get away with doing the same thing. The difference is people are still completely jaded and blindly optimistic about Star Citizen. While everyone already knows MWO is irreparably flawed and are pessimistically guarded about spending more money on it. IGP completely missed the boat on ripping us off and now theyre trying to rewind time.

Personally im not buying a clan pack until I can make a more informed decision about clan mechs. We still dont know how clan mechs and IS mechs will be evenly balanced. Because right now I dont see how thats possible even with significant nerfs to clan tech.

Edited by Khobai, 28 April 2014 - 05:46 AM.

[Onmyoudo]

Khobai, on 28 April 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

Basically what happened was IGP saw how much money Star Citizen was raking in and thought they could get away with doing the same thing.

Judging by the amount of people I've seen in these forums saying they've bought Masakari packages and even more saying they've spent a thousand dollars plus on this game, they did indeed get away with doing the same thing.

[Bishop Steiner]

Onmyoudo, on 28 April 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

Judging by the amount of people I've seen in these forums saying they've bought Masakari packages and even more saying they've spent a thousand dollars plus on this game, they did indeed get away with doing the same thing.

Well, at least IGP has delivered an actual game. Broken and buggy, but so far IMO, but that beats being able to look at your pretty ship in the hanger, or has the dog fighting module finally launched?

[DONTOR]

Personally I expect the Clan mechs to cost a fortune in C bills which means an insane amount of grinding / Premim time needed to do so in a decent amount of time. Which means you are going to be spending some real money anyhow. So, If you value your time and love clan mechs I dont see any reason why you shouldnt pitch in some of your tax return money and get a few clan mechs. If I hadnt already bought all of them, I would get the direwolf, stormcrow, and summoner.

Onmyoudo, on 28 April 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

Judging by the amount of people I've seen in these forums saying they've bought Masakari packages and even more saying they've spent a thousand dollars plus on this game, they did indeed get away with doing the same thing.

Get away with? Did they commit some sort of crime... no? Oh thats right they sold me a product that they spent time creating and that I love, nothing wrong with that.

[Onmyoudo]

I was responding to the post directly above mine, using the same wording as he/she was. I have no opinion on any ethical implications of the money that they are charging for clans. The point of my post was that they decided to charge what "they thought they could get away with" and it has evidently been successful.