81 replies to this topic

[Roadbeer]

Yeah, I meant to tell you that, No polls in GenDesc.

Personally, I think it's a conspiracy to keep my post count down from putting "This is serious business and needs a poll" in every poll.

[Iqfish]

I'm sorry but where is the problem with ECM?

Like Roadbeer said, you have lot's of effective counters and - how should it work, if not like right now?

[Varik Ronain]

ECM is not just a hassle for LRM boats it also makes it so brawlers or pin point shooter type mechs cant lock on and target weak points. It is annoying but it is not game breaking, more often than not it all depends on the overall team. I love the A1 cat and not the LRM5 kind so I dont have tag to work with but I make do with BAP and a UAV. I am amazed at how often my UAV will go for full duration. But once that UAV is in the air you better bet the ECM mech is priority #1 and if I end up killing the ECM because the other team ignored the drone they typically lose. But on the other hand if the other team is quick with taking down my UAV and use cover/stacking 2 ecm to counter my BAP then they deserve to win. Such is the life for my favorite mech, it has a built in weakness, cant carry a tag. But I do not let it ruin my fun!

[Shatterpoint]

Iqfish, on 26 April 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Wait, it's 2014 already?

I actually had to check the calendar to see, not sure how I should be feeling about that.

[Iqfish]

Shatterpoint, on 26 April 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

I actually had to check the calendar to see, not sure how I should be feeling about that.

It's a mix of sadness and fear for me.

Blink, it's 2015. Oh well.

[Mcgral18]

Iqfish, on 26 April 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

I'm sorry but where is the problem with ECM?

Like Roadbeer said, you have lot's of effective counters and - how should it work, if not like right now?

Well, it's not supposed to stop lvl 1 tech, such as basic LRMs or SSRMs. It's supposed to counter Artemis and NARC.

It's rather backwards how they implemented it. Now you need to pay a tax to use weapons. Not the end of the world for most chassis, but not the most pleasant thing. But gimping an already sub optimal set of weapons is also pretty silly.

[Sephlock]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Yeah, I meant to tell you that, No polls in GenDesc.

Personally, I think it's a conspiracy to keep my post count down from putting "This is serious business and needs a poll" in every poll.

This is serious business and needs a poll.

[Mystere]

Flaming oblivion, on 26 April 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Until they balance ecm if you do not kill the ecmers first your sides chances of winning will decrease, yeah there are counters most of which are highly situational .... The only reliable counter to ecm is ecm , ironically most people don't seem to know ecm has 2 settings . But yeah kill the ecmers first exterminate them, make it known if you bring a ecmer you will be hunted down and killed before you hit 3 figure damage. Gotta stop em until ecm is brought in line.

[Livewyr]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Meh, go for it.
Try not to be biased, and link when you're done.

http://mwomercs.com/...y-minus-8-days/

I think I did a fairly good job of being unbiased. Lemme know if I need to change some wording.

[Prezimonto]

Lyoto Machida, on 26 April 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

Give every variant ECM...or make ECM only affect Artemis/NARC/etc like in TT. Problem solved.

Or better give all mechs a cone of fire on all weapons if they don't have full target information. Watch how the wailing commences. Oh wait, ECM isn't overpowered at all, being a 1.5 ton piece of equipment that shuts down 2 varieties of weapon system for a whole team with no skill, risk, or work invested.

Giving it to every variant would immediately invalidate the use of streak missiles everywhere. Also, why would you EVER not take ECM? It's LRM bane, 100% damage reduction vs. streak missiles, and it removes the ability of the enemy team to target lock you, share information about you... oh and everyone else on your team within the radius.

Making it do the things TT says it should do would make it a soft counter for these systems and, gasp, balance everything. Too bad that's never going to happen.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

ECM is only equipable on 5 of the what. over 130 variants available? and only effects LRMs and SSRMs.

Not quite. The power of ECM effects every weapon in the game, not just missiles. Atlas DDCs are a dime and dozen in matches nowdays, using their ECM crutch as a cloak and lurking in shadowy corners where they snipe with their PPCs and Acs. Raven 3Ls use ECM to turn into a cloaked ER large laser sniper. Cicadas and spiders use the cloak to be more effective PPC snipers.

ECM still provides a significant match altering advantage. It needs to be reworked and made available to all chassis. And the mechs that do have ECM exclusivity can be un-nerfed (shrinking Raven leg hitbox back to normal, giving the Cicada 3M back its old acceleration).

[Daekar]

Iqfish, on 26 April 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

I'm sorry but where is the problem with ECM?

Like Roadbeer said, you have lot's of effective counters and - how should it work, if not like right now?

Glad you asked. See this thread:
http://mwomercs.com/...-with-proposal/

[Ngamok]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Lulz
How about Premades who use ECM and Arty? Those guys need to be drug out and shot

And LRMs.

[SgtMagor]

wahts been bugging me for the longest, is why your BAP is not showing up on the console, so I know if its jamming an ECM mech, or that there is a mechs around with ECM, and show me all the ECM signals being broadcasted?

Edited by SgtMagor, 26 April 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

/sigh

TAG, NARC, UAV all are effective counters (as well as PPC blasts to a lesser extent). ECM is only equipable on 5 of the what. over 130 variants available? and only effects LRMs and SSRMs.
Those who know how to effectively use LRMs and aren't just button mashing see it as a nuisance, not a problem, and no more of a nuisance than when your opponent uses cover effectively.

ECM blobs are great fun for Arty/Air strikes and watching them scurry outside the bubble like turning a light on roaches and letting the LURMERS have at it.

In short, your thread is much ado about nothing.

Get at him dog!

[Clit Beastwood]

Flaming oblivion, on 26 April 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

I have seen peoples comments every battle ecm has been there. That's enough to tell me . Honestly tell me ecm isn't op ? Go on honestly give me a valid reason ecm isn't tag doesn't count to situational anyone with halve a brain under ecm cover will jump into cover the minute u tag them.

It's like that when you're new. Give it time, as you move out of that level of play you'll see fewer and fewer complaints about it. Give it time we were all new once.

[Barantor]

Fierostetz, on 26 April 2014 - 07:20 PM, said:

It's like that when you're new. Give it time, as you move out of that level of play you'll see fewer and fewer complaints about it. Give it time we were all new once.

Eh, I'm old hat and I still think it was a bad implementation of it. It could be done better but if "could be done better" was a bucket I would've had wet feet more than a year ago.

It is especially unnerving to those that know how ECM works in tabletop, not that the lore excuse works around here at all, but that is a reason for some complaints about it.

I know I rarely see an Atlas out that isn't a D-DC and to me that says a lot.

[Zvanya]

What a novel concept! ECM should be a primary target!? Gee I never thought of that!!!

[Livewyr]

Livewyr, on 26 April 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...y-minus-8-days/

I think I did a fairly good job of being unbiased. Lemme know if I need to change some wording.

Shocking: Thread closed for voting on an opinion on current status rather than a (personally proposed) change. True, forum not meant for that.. but since PGI won't dare put up a poll of their own (might actually hurt some feels in sensitive places) not a whole lot of options.

Still..of the tiny sample size it got.. it was a little telling. 63% said "terribad."

Can't really think of any other way to do it..only place that allows polls is the Features forums.

[hybrid black]

to the OP bring it on big boy