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[Navy Sixes]

Hello!

First off, this is not a "PGI Sucks" thread regarding how long CW is taking to implement. We've all been there and done that, so please save it for somewhere else.

I just perused the forums tonight and found a lot of people in different places discussing how badly they want CW, and how they think it's going to change everything and give the "endless deathmatches" some meaning.

And I was just wondering what others in the community thought about this. What do you think CW is really going to change? What do you think it will look like? What do you want it to look like? What do you not want it to look like?

Pretend we all know it's going to be coming soon, put on your imagination caps, and daydream a little, even if it makes you a little melancholy because you know it will never be as good as you want it to be...

[asdbnmrty]

It's gonna be the same thing. After a match you'll get some arbitrary number for planet control. When we own a planet, we'll probably get a whooping 2% discount off some random item/mech for a planet you control. Then you probably have to go through some massive c-bill dump to buy another dropship to go do the same thing on another planet.

[Jin Ma]

Probably the easiest thing PGI can come up with to implement.

No planets just fronts from what i heard of based on their ever changing story for what CW is.

Edited by Jin Ma, 17 April 2014 - 07:18 PM.

[Wolfways]

Map on this website (or possibly Twitter ).
Same matches as now.
Wins/losses for the day (week, month?) are totaled up.
Map changes colour occasionally.

[BLOOD WOLF]

I think CW will definitely be more immersive. IF it is as simple s some above has stated, it would be out by now

[Lindonius]

Edited by Lindonius, 16 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.

[meteorol]

Ill just copy& paste what i originally said like over a year ago about CW, and what i repost in every CW thread ever since.

This post was originally posted on 14. January 2013 - 03:06 PM:


Somehow i can see the CW being a huge bust.
Don't get me wrong, i would LOVE CW as it was described by the devs over a year ago.
But... we are still playing on 4 maps, 1 Gamemode (conquest is just TDM with an alternativ second win condition). When it comes to content, the game hasn't evolved for like 6 months.

Lets be honest: If development speed stays the same, we will either have CW like they described it in 3 years OR we will have some half-a**ed cr*p in the near future.

Even if i don't like it, i can clearly see it infront of my inner eye:
Playing the same 4 (then maybe 5)maps, TDM, getting a stupid message at the end of the match, telling me that "Davion has gained 3482 CW-Points". Then i can log on to the forums, check how many CW points every faction has. Maybe a little cbill bonus if your faction has enough points. Nothing more, nothing less.

Keep in mind, this post was over a year ago. Before CW was pushed back time after time after time.
Right now, more than a whole year later, i still believe what i wrote down back then. Number of maps increased, and that's it. Because frankly speaking, nothing has changed considering CW during the last year. We have a powerpoint presentation. In which they told us the same old story they told us two years ago.
Don't count on CW to save this game. It probably will be a bust.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Guys, we know many of you don think CW will be woth anything but please leave that out and respect the OP post. This is for those who know its coming and have their interpretations of what CW is.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 16 April 2014 - 10:54 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

meteorol, on 16 April 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

Ill just copy& paste what i originally said like over a year ago about CW, and what i repost in every CW thread ever since.

This post was originally posted on 14. January 2013 - 03:06 PM:


Somehow i can see the CW being a huge bust.
Don't get me wrong, i would LOVE CW as it was described by the devs over a year ago.
But... we are still playing on 4 maps, 1 Gamemode (conquest is just TDM with an alternativ second win condition). When it comes to content, the game hasn't evolved for like 6 months.

Lets be honest: If development speed stays the same, we will either have CW like they described it in 3 years OR we will have some half-a**ed cr*p in the near future.

Even if i don't like it, i can clearly see it infront of my inner eye:
Playing the same 4 (then maybe 5)maps, TDM, getting a stupid message at the end of the match, telling me that "Davion has gained 3482 CW-Points". Then i can log on to the forums, check how many CW points every faction has. Maybe a little cbill bonus if your faction has enough points. Nothing more, nothing less.

Keep in mind, this post was over a year ago. Before CW was pushed back time after time after time.
Right now, more than a whole year later, i still believe what i wrote down back then. Number of maps increased, and that's it. Because frankly speaking, nothing has changed considering CW during the last year. We have a powerpoint presentation. In which they told us the same old story they told us two years ago.
Don't count on CW to save this game. It probably will be a bust.

umm no, the progress made in this game over the last two years is oustanding. They have not pushed it back time and time again. It was just the 90 days after lauch and that was the last time we heard of CW until the UI 2.0 press and the State of the IS post. You must be an idiot to not see that this game is making progress.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 16 April 2014 - 10:58 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

i hope the layout looks nothing like the IS maps.

CW should be based on what happens between the community and there for should start out evenly. the pie should be split in to even slices and it will change and evolve to whatever as we play.

those are my only thoughts related to title.

[Lyoto Machida]

meteorol, on 16 April 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

Ill just copy& paste what i originally said like over a year ago about CW, and what i repost in every CW thread ever since.

This post was originally posted on 14. January 2013 - 03:06 PM:


Somehow i can see the CW being a huge bust.
Don't get me wrong, i would LOVE CW as it was described by the devs over a year ago.
But... we are still playing on 4 maps, 1 Gamemode (conquest is just TDM with an alternativ second win condition). When it comes to content, the game hasn't evolved for like 6 months.

Lets be honest: If development speed stays the same, we will either have CW like they described it in 3 years OR we will have some half-a**ed cr*p in the near future.

Even if i don't like it, i can clearly see it infront of my inner eye:
Playing the same 4 (then maybe 5)maps, TDM, getting a stupid message at the end of the match, telling me that "Davion has gained 3482 CW-Points". Then i can log on to the forums, check how many CW points every faction has. Maybe a little cbill bonus if your faction has enough points. Nothing more, nothing less.

Keep in mind, this post was over a year ago. Before CW was pushed back time after time after time.
Right now, more than a whole year later, i still believe what i wrote down back then. Number of maps increased, and that's it. Because frankly speaking, nothing has changed considering CW during the last year. We have a powerpoint presentation. In which they told us the same old story they told us two years ago.
Don't count on CW to save this game. It probably will be a bust.

I was at the launch event...didn't even bother watching the CW presentation. The open bar with free drinks was more entertaining (and truthful).

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 April 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

umm no, the progress made in this game over the last two years is oustanding. They have not pushed it back time and time again. It was just the 90 days after lauch and that was the last time we heard of CW until the UI 2.0 press and the State of the IS post. You must be an idiot to not see that this game is making progress.

Low expectations or paid shill.

Edited by Lyoto Machida, 16 April 2014 - 11:16 PM.

[Deathlike]

Tell me when Phoenix Pack owners are getting their "Loyalty Points" and then I'll tell you what CW will look like.

6 months without loyalty points and counting!

[BLOOD WOLF]

Lyoto Machida, on 16 April 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

I was at the launch event...didn't even bother watching the CW presentation. The open bar with free drinks was more entertaining (and truthful).






Low expectations or paid shill.

how is that low expectations?, shill? really?.

Im sorry but STUUUUPID. maybe i shouldnt say that but i cant give people the benifit of a doubt. Keep it in repsect to the OP. If you want to rage then go make another thread.

im sorry if your drawing an end conclusion based of a presentation: IF that is the case then their is no conversing with you. So do me a favor, read more, get a greater sense of knowledge and understanding about the things around you. Learn to look at something from more than a narrow view; Get out your comfort zone. Dont be afraid to have a differnt opinion, and most importantly think critically. Do that and we might be able to have a better conversation.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 16 April 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[Onmyoudo]

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 April 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

how is that low expectations?, shill? really?.

He's calling you a shill because you said this:

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 April 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

umm no, the progress made in this game over the last two years is oustanding. They have not pushed it back time and time again. It was just the 90 days after lauch and that was the last time we heard of CW until the UI 2.0 press and the State of the IS post. You must be an idiot to not see that this game is making progress.

There has been very little visible progress for this game, and what we have seen has been painfully slow. Mechs and maps are additional content, not base content, and 3 of the 4 stated pillars of the game still don't exist more than two years later. What we do have is a number of terrible balance changes, persistent balance issues and terrible communication from the devs, and another awful UI. Yeah they're fixing stuff, slowly, but there is still no base game. Just endless deathmatch.

TL;DR, he's calling you a shill because what you said was patently bollocks.

Edit: Sorry, to add to OP rather than just derail the thread, I really don't know what to expect from CW. At this point it seems futile to even try to predict anything as the information we have is so vague or out of date that we're extrapolating on nothing. I'm hoping it provides a subtle and engaging conflict that really immerses us in the trials of the Inner Sphere and clans and most of all gives us a good reason to want to play other than just "here's some mechs, go grind c-bills to buy them".

Edited by Onmyoudo, 17 April 2014 - 12:18 AM.

[meteorol]

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 April 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

umm no, the progress made in this game over the last two years is oustanding. [...] You must be an idiot to not see that this game is making progress.

This really made my day
I see that the game is making progress. Furthermore, i see the speed of said progress. Aside of the progress, i'm even able to see the lack of progress in some of the games most fundamental flaws, which you are apparently unable to see.
PGI is missing like 9/10 of the dates they set. Just as an example, Ui. 2.0 was released on date (after being pushed back) in an unfinished, temporary state which pretty much hasn't change since then.

Pretty much this:

Onmyoudo, on 17 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

There has been very little visible progress for this game, and what we have seen has been painfully slow. Mechs and maps are additional content, not base content, and 3 of the 4 stated pillars of the game still don't exist more than two years later. What we do have is a number of terrible balance changes, persistent balance issues and terrible communication from the devs, and another awful UI. Yeah they're fixing stuff, slowly, but there is still no base game. Just endless deathmatch.

TL;DR, he's calling you a shill because what you said was patently bollocks.

You are really the first person i have ever seen claiming this games progress is "outstanding". On a side note, insulting people because they don't see the stuff through your rose-tinted glasses is not the best way to start a mature discussion.

Edited by meteorol, 17 April 2014 - 12:19 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

ahh, another one of these. Im not getting into this, nor should anyone else. Respect the OP.

[xXBagheeraXx]

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 April 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

umm no, the progress made in this game over the last two years is oustanding. They have not pushed it back time and time again. It was just the 90 days after lauch and that was the last time we heard of CW until the UI 2.0 press and the State of the IS post. You must be an idiot to not see that this game is making progress.

You are an idiot for think it has. We still dont have something as simple as weapon and heat balance. The core issues of the game like HIT REGISTRATION are still botched. You can paint the house up as pretty as you like, but if your frame has termites and the foundation has cracks, your house is going to crumble.

[BLOOD WOLF]

I made responses to all three responses in relation to mine; However i deleted them In Respect to the OP. Anyways CW i feel will be just what this game needs. It was what this game should have been, and when it gets here bet that ill be stomping over the IS.

Ill just respond to one

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 17 April 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

xXBagheeraXx, on 17 April 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

You are an idiot for think it has. We still dont have something as simple as weapon and heat balance. The core issues of the game like HIT REGISTRATION are still botched. You can paint the house up as pretty as you like, but if your frame has termites and the foundation has cracks, your house is going to crumble.

you say core issues but you give me one. Not only that there is no such thing as perfect weapon or heat balance. People will always feel a differnt way reguardless if its the best solution..

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 17 April 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

To keep this thread on track (despite some ridiculous claims in here), I'll leave this here.

CW has already been in two Mechwarrior games...once in the 90s and again in the early 2000s. No real reason why PGI can't get this done except for ineptitude or greed.

If they can't surpass (or at least equal) the previous efforts, there will be a big problem with the playerbase numbers, as this isn't some super popular AAA title. It's a niche game based on a certain universe with lots of backstory already written.

The first game was played on modems of all things...this is 2014 now. What's the hold up???