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[IceCase88]

I have officially lost faith in the hit registration. I would like to know how it is I am behind a mech that is facing away from me and I am shooting it's right leg which is low on armor only for it to register my hits on the left leg. How do you explain this nonsense? It happens all to frequently that hits on one side of the rag doll register on the opposite side.

[Nauht]

Hmm just to be clear you know that the ragdoll facing you right?

So if you're behind the guy everything's reversed on the ragdoll.

I personally have never encountered this problem for limbs. PGI have alread explained the reverse torso damage but limbs don't have a front/rear.

[IceCase88]

Yes... when I am behind him, facing the same way as him, and the rag doll says right leg it should be the same as what I am shooting obviously. Yet it is not. Obviously when facing the ragdoll the shooting should be reversed.

Edited by IceCase88, 27 April 2014 - 07:37 PM.

[Asmudius Heng]

I remember before HSR, what we have not is pretty good - that being said i do still see plenty of anomalies but I always just chalk that up to being an Aussie and we just have to put up with that stuff which makes us much better players because we have to play better to make up for our pings.

[Mister Blastman]

Hit registration is CRAP! Bad. Really bad. It is one of a couple reasons I loathe this game at the moment.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IT, EITHER.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 27 April 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Mycrus]

I never realized how bad hit registration was until I tried to finish off a legged raven... took me four double ac5 salvos to put it down... while aiming for an armor less side torso..

[Mcgral18]

Mycrus, on 27 April 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

I never realized how bad hit registration was until I tried to finish off a legged raven... took me four double ac5 salvos to put it down... while aiming for an armor less side torso..

I legged a spider with a SRM 2D2 using the lasers...so I tried to experiment with SRM hit detection. I fired over 70 missiles into him at 20M....someone dropped an arty strike to end his misery.

That made me a sad panda.

[White Bear 84]

Mycrus, on 27 April 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

I never realized how bad hit registration was until I tried to finish off a legged raven... took me four double ac5 salvos to put it down... while aiming for an armor less side torso..

I have found the best solution for this is to not aim for the legs, rather the bottom part of the torso (since 1. you are technically still aiming for the legs & 2. damage transfers to the legs).

That said I have shot spiders in the head and done damage to their arms, or even alpha striked them with no damage (and seen the shots hit and had the detection).

Edited by White Bear 84, 27 April 2014 - 08:28 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

You should be happy it registered on the left leg 25% of the time my hits don't even register

[Impyrium]

Erm... 280-300 ping average here, I don't really have much a problem with hitting the legs, and the ones I want to hit. It's not perfect, but hey, I'm running crappy broadband; if I can survive and leg 'Mechs fairly easy, then I don't get why you under 100 pingers are having trouble.

[ShinVector]

AUSwarrior24, on 28 April 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

Erm... 280-300 ping average here, I don't really have much a problem with hitting the legs, and the ones I want to hit. It's not perfect, but hey, I'm running crappy broadband; if I can survive and leg 'Mechs fairly easy, then I don't get why you under 100 pingers are having trouble.

Yep same here for 250ms... The last few patches increase DAKKA hit reg for better than ever before. No more lies from client side hit detection helps too.

Proof.... Its Dakka time... Lost but I had fun murdering anything I came across... LOL... At the last 100% dragon... Bye bye XL engine..

Edited by ShinVector, 28 April 2014 - 12:46 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

IceCase88, on 27 April 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

Yes... when I am behind him, facing the same way as him, and the rag doll says right leg it should be the same as what I am shooting obviously. Yet it is not. Obviously when facing the ragdoll the shooting should be reversed.

That was your mistake. as already stated, The paperdoll shows the enemy 'Mech facing you. Which mean the leg you see on the right is actually the left leg. This setup makes it more intuitive to tell what you need to shoot at in a direct firefight. Hit registration has nothing to do with this.

PS: So many people raging without actually reading...

[Soulscour]

ShinVector, on 28 April 2014 - 12:46 AM, said:

Yep same here for 250ms... The last few patches increase DAKKA hit reg for better than ever before. No more lies from client side hit detection helps too. Proof.... Its Dakka time... Lost but I had fun murdering anything I came across... LOL... At the last 100% dragon... Bye bye XL engine..

Well done, though I will point out that the mechs that you destroyed were for the most part, not good builds. First you kill a hunchback SP close range that was packing LRMs. Then you destroyed an ok misery build that was all alone with LRMs raining on him. Then you took out a Jager DD that had a mixmatch of weapons (with machine guns...) that was all alone and intentionally in horrible positioning not even close to cover. Then you took out a pretty baby with a mix match of weapons and a red CT. Then you proceeded to take out an overly hot Thunderbolt built (with machine guns...). Then you took out a fresh dragon but look at that build. It was so bad. I'm not trying to put down your performance because I know you are a great pilot driving a great mech. That is in fact what I'm trying to point out. Quad AC5 is one of the best builds and this is an example of how nonmeta builds perform vs a meta build. They could not put out damage on you with those bad builds.

Edited by Soulscour, 28 April 2014 - 02:34 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

Soulscour, on 28 April 2014 - 02:29 AM, said:

Well done, though I will point out that the mechs that you destroyed were for the most part, not good builds. First you kill a hunchback SP close range that was packing LRMs. Then you destroyed an ok misery build that was all alone with LRMs raining on him. Then you took out a Jager DD that had a mixmatch of weapons (with machine guns...) that was all alone and intentionally in horrible positioning not even close to cover. Then you took out a pretty baby with a mix match of weapons and a red CT. Then you proceeded to take out an overly hot Thunderbolt built (with machine guns...). Then you took out a fresh dragon but look at that build. It was so bad. I'm not trying to put down your performance because I know you are a great pilot driving a great mech. That is in fact what I'm trying to point out. Quad AC5 is one of the best builds and this is an example of how nonmeta builds perform vs a meta build. They could not put out damage on you with those bad builds.

No, it was a Meta-build versus bad plays and poor decision making. The non-meta builds have nothing to do with it (though some are indeed poorly optimized). Meta versus non-meta can be deciding at about equal skill, Otherwise will skill always be the most driving factor.

[Soulscour]

SethAbercromby, on 28 April 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

No, it was a Meta-build versus bad plays and poor decision making. The non-meta builds have nothing to do with it (though some are indeed poorly optimized). Meta versus non-meta can be deciding at about equal skill, Otherwise will skill always be the most driving factor.

I think it had everything to do with it when several times he was put in one on one situations and thier mechs melt and they barely put out any damage in return.

[ShinVector]

SethAbercromby, on 28 April 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

No, it was a Meta-build versus bad plays and poor decision making. The non-meta builds have nothing to do with it (though some are indeed poorly optimized). Meta versus non-meta can be deciding at about equal skill, Otherwise will skill always be the most driving factor.

Catching the dudes by surprise helps too..

But this topic is about hit registration though... Video just shows it feel good right now even at high latency... I can hit what I want like I always wanted 1v1 or multi v1... Previously it was false positive after false positive.

[ShinVector]

Soulscour, on 28 April 2014 - 03:32 AM, said:

I think it had everything to do with it when several times he was put in one on one situations and thier mechs melt and they barely put out any damage in return.

Not happy with 1v1 videos ? How about some come back victories... I had committed suicide in one of them because I ran out of ammo.. From the same set of drops..

But this is dual gauss... Again Hit Registration feel good right now.

[SethAbercromby]

ShinVector, on 28 April 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

Catching the dudes by surprise helps too..

But this topic is about hit registration though... Video just shows it feel good right now even at high latency... I can hit what I want like I always wanted 1v1 or multi v1... Previously it was false positive after false positive.

I'll agree on that. Lag compensation has been greatly improved and lag-shielding isn't as effective any more. Apparently there are still problems with the registration of too many missile impacts at one in the CryEngine but it's difficult to track that stuff.

[Veranova]

ShinVector, on 28 April 2014 - 12:46 AM, said:

Yep same here for 250ms... The last few patches increase DAKKA hit reg for better than ever before. No more lies from client side hit detection helps too.

And people got up in arms about Lords players using VPN's.
This is why.
Mid-ping players get better hit-reg than low-ping.

I was fighting a Spider last night in my Jenner, and we legged each other.
I then nailed him directly in the leg I hadn't blown off, and not a single point registered.
Then he blew off my other leg without an issue. Annoying.

Edited by Veranova, 28 April 2014 - 03:45 AM.

[ShinVector]

Veranova, on 28 April 2014 - 03:43 AM, said:

And people got up in arms about Lords players using VPN's.
This is why.
Mid-ping players get better hit-reg than low-ping.

I was fighting a Spider last night in my Jenner, and we legged each other.
I then nailed him directly in the leg I hadn't blown off, and not a single point registered.
Then he blew off my other leg without an issue. Annoying.

LOL... Noted.. At 250ms.. Lasers hit registration is trash... All the time..