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[stevemac]

Agent of Change, on 29 April 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Ahh because I see it now.

The answer is that everyone who has high damage is in a premade regardless of whether they are in a group or not. I've broken the code guys.

Check it:

Pre-made = Player that does well, not neccesarily a group.

PuG = equals player that is bad, unless it's me in which case everyone better is a premade.


Serioulsy as far as i can tell this is the core argument. The Premies are the devil crowd would have us believe that PuG's (contrary to evidence and common sense) never stand any chance against Pre-mades. That as a PuG having a Pre-made on your team gives you an almost insurmountable advantage and having a Pre-made against you means you will almost certainly lose.

It has to be a code because the arguments have ceased to make sense in any other case. That or fatalism is in vogue at the moment. So I'm thinking that now that I know, I'm going to start protesting against all those OP single man Pre-mades out there. I mean that since 86% of play is solo (apparrently) which means the Solo Pre-mades are a bigger threat than the poor Pug groups. (Am i using the code right now?)

Your bang on agent ...quoted whole post as to not offend people

[MeiSooHaityu]

Almond Brown, on 29 April 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

Wow, who would have thought a Founder would have only 1 Mech in the stable.

LOL, you know what I meant. Multiple respawns per game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

Its getting sorta irritating how people are picking bits of posts and taking them out of context in order to try and validate there argument , Because its the only way some can , I respect everyone's point of view but please reply to the full post, not just the part you can manipulate to suite you .

Ok. I'll break it down!

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

I agree its all about skill

1)Its the PuGGers fault that he couldn't communicate as effectively as the premade team could.

2)SO 6/12 of his guys made mistakes and the premades walked out and destroyed then massively stacking the odds against the puggies.

3)Its the pugs fault that in the time it takes him to type up vital information he could be getting shot at, but if he doesn't type it up his teammates could take severe damage, where as the pre made can pass on this information with no drawback.

4)It's the puggers fault that in some fights its clear that the premade team is the most experienced in the entire 24 players (balance)

I could go on but I feel I've covered every base.

1) I covered in my last post

2) Not sure where this is going, But I have fought a well coordinated team... that had wasted over half my team before I could engage. By the time the match ended We lost. I died but I claimed the only 4 kills my team had. No assists were had by my team. I am pretty sure their 4 man killed me but the better team won the match.

3) If they are New then they are new. Which are complaining about PUG stomping or Noob stomping. When I drop as Anton I am dropping PUG and stomping Noobs when they are there. I have no problem fighting whom ever drops against me be it Khobai, Koniving, Goose or even DocBach. Win or lose I give my best and regret nothing.

4) If the 4man proves they are the best then they are the best. As a PUG I marvel at the coordination of a good 4man as they roll over my team. Cause I know they are doing it right and respect it!

[Magna Canus]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I have no problem fighting whom ever drops against me be it Khobai, Koniving, Goose or even DocBach. Win or lose I give my best and regret nothing. 4) If the 4man proves they are the best then they are the best. As a PUG I marvel at the coordination of a good 4man as they roll over my team. Cause I know they are doing it right and respect it!

I am going to get a day of Premium time and when I catch you online it will be "Joe!!! Nice to see you here.... DUEL ME BRO!".

Kinda sucks you need premium for the private matches. I would have loved to see something like "Duel me coins" or something for that one-off-fun-fight.

[WVAnonymous]

Agent of Change, on 29 April 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Ahh because I see it now.

The answer is that everyone who has high damage is in a premade regardless of whether they are in a group or not. I've broken the code guys.

Check it:

Pre-made = Player that does well, not neccesarily a group.

PuG = equals player that is bad, unless it's me in which case everyone better is a premade.


Serioulsy as far as i can tell this is the core argument. The Premies are the devil crowd would have us believe that PuG's (contrary to evidence and common sense) never stand any chance against Pre-mades. That as a PuG having a Pre-made on your team gives you an almost insurmountable advantage and having a Pre-made against you means you will almost certainly lose.

It has to be a code because the arguments have ceased to make sense in any other case. That or fatalism is in vogue at the moment. So I'm thinking that now that I know, I'm going to start protesting against all those OP single man Pre-mades out there. I mean that since 86% of play is solo (apparrently) which means the Solo Pre-mades are a bigger threat than the poor Pug groups. (Am i using the code right now?)

I AM the ONE MAN PRE-MADE! Fear me...

[Flaming oblivion]

It's sad because i'm new i'm not allowed to speak on the forums about anything , Its sad because I don't hold the view of the minority of forum users and instead hold the view of the majority of people playing the game . People seem so intent on silencing me shutting down my arguments. I'm just glad that todays release now im fully aware of whats happening is massively in favour of my opinion and massively against most opposing me, And I hope PGI and the ones opposing see things pick up when many more new players actually stay playing mwo , making balance and the MM a lot easier to balance, and they can continue to solve the meta pre mades and such , K thats really my last post.

[Joseph Mallan]

Magnakanus, on 29 April 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

I am going to get a day of Premium time and when I catch you online it will be "Joe!!! Nice to see you here.... DUEL ME BRO!".

Kinda sucks you need premium for the private matches. I would have loved to see something like "Duel me coins" or something for that one-off-fun-fight.

Sounds like fun!

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

It's sad because i'm new i'm not allowed to speak on the forums about anything , Its sad because I don't hold the view of the minority of forum users and instead hold the view of the majority of people playing the game . People seem so intent on silencing me shutting down my arguments. I'm just glad that todays release now im fully aware of whats happening is massively in favour of my opinion and massively against most opposing me, And I hope PGI and the ones opposing see things pick up when many more new players actually stay playing mwo , making balance and the MM a lot easier to balance, and they can continue to solve the meta pre mades and such , K thats really my last post.

No its sad cause you seem to be taking the opinions of others as personal attacks. You are stating your case we are stating ours. This is a good conversation.

[Flaming oblivion]

People turning around and claiming I only made the comment of the premade simply because of there high damage, That I didn't know for a fact they were a premade before making the statement is a personal attack, That I would just assume something is nonsense.

[Joseph Mallan]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

People turning around and claiming I only made the comment of the premade simply because of there high damage, That I didn't know for a fact they were a premade before making the statement is a personal attack, That I would just assume something is nonsense.

I am Both a Premade and a PUG and have played an equal time as both in over 2 years. It is only a personal attack if they are insulting you as a person.

[Flaming oblivion]

I just can't under stand how anyone with a straight face could try to argue a premade lance and a pug lance are on equal footing,

[WVAnonymous]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

I just can't under stand how anyone with a straight face could try to argue a premade lance and a pug lance are on equal footing,

Because the only time I've been in a four man it has been "Hey, we have an open slot, want to drop?"

We aren't on voice. We aren't training together. I don't know any of these people IRL. Frequently I have never dropped with one or more of them before and never will again.

Fear us.

[Joseph Mallan]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

I just can't under stand how anyone with a straight face could try to argue a premade lance and a pug lance are on equal footing,

Depends on the Premade. I know for a fact that as the night gets later and our drinking gets warmed up 4 PUGs stand a fair chance of beating us. BUT a 4 man team in a 24 player game does not always control the battle. What I fin hard to accept is PUG who with a straight ace say TS3 is an Unfair advantage when it is free. has at least 3 servers to find players on. and provides Comms for anyone who uses it. Without discrimination. This here is the big advantage Premades use. Comms that every MechWarrior can use.

[Malcolm Reynolds]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 April 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

Sounds like fun!


No its sad cause you seem to be taking the opinions of others as personal attacks. You are stating your case we are stating ours. This is a good conversation.

Very last samurai of you. I like it. and "I have enjoyed our conversation very much"

[stevemac]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

I just can't under stand how anyone with a straight face could try to argue a premade lance and a pug lance are on equal footing,

Like 99 percent of the premade players out there we all pug from one time to another. I know in my unit we could not careless how much damage you do or amount of kills ect... Most times we get together have fun and chat. Can premade turn the tide yes can it also be a hindrance The only advantage we have is we comunicate and we know how eachother play. and when most case we do tell the team yes alpha is a premade here is what were doing the rest ether follow and help or run off playing rambo and die. so its a catch 22.

[Davers]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 05:35 AM, said:

, Premade's no downside what so ever , PuGs no upsides what so ever, that is all

Starting today every premade has a downside. The rest of their team is guaranteed to be PUGs.

[stevemac]

all of this talk reminds of a image i seen one day.

Edited by stevemac, 29 April 2014 - 08:58 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

Here is the thing, Flaming Obvious. PUGs can be made up of several types of players ranging from day 1 newbies to Closed Beta vets. Because of this, the skill level varies and skill isn't essetially tied into length of play cause I've seen some REALLY bad vets before. Hell, I sometimes make idiotic mistakes only to be that idiot vet.

The problem really lies in the fact that the 4 man premade is, or should be, communicating amongst themselves so that they can maximize their output and minimize the threats against them. That doesn't always gaurantee victory but it helps a lot. Think of it like an ant colony that has a few butterflies running around with them. The ants work as a team while the butterflies just flutter around doing their own thing. When opposition mounts, the ant colony reacts to protect themselves. Butterflies, because they're singular in nature, will just fly around doing absolutely nothing of benefit to the group. PUGs, for the most part, wilt when they start taking damage and they know nothing or are incapalbe/unwilling to lead the group so they wander around doing things that either directly hurt the team (going off on their own and dying solo while accomplishing nothing) or they indirectly hurt their team but not pushing with the group. I can't tell you how many times that I've called for a push, even 30s prior (when you're an Atlas, it takes a while to get to the push point), only to die because the PUGies got shot at and decided that it was better to back up and not take damage than to move forward and kill what was shooting them. And that last part is what really baffles and angers me. Your mech isn't a computer avatar connected to your personal health or your bank account. If you lose it, you don't lose a hand in real life, get cancer or the clap, lose your car, or take a $5,000 dollar hit to your savings. You end the game, load up in another mech, and do it all over again. So, if the PUGs would learn to follow the lead, think about the maps in a smart way, and act appropriately, there wouldn't be a problem. Too many, though, end up with the self entitled mentality of, "I'm just having fun so I'll do it th way that I want do cause I don't know or care about the rest of you. My time is my own!"

[Almond Brown]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

LOL, you know what I meant. Multiple respawns per game.

Yes I did. In all fairness though. In MWO you could exit, select another Mech and launch into another game in about the same time a re-spawn timer would likely get you back onto the field and you hustled yourself back into the fight.

[Almond Brown]

WVAnonymous, on 29 April 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

I AM the ONE MAN PRE-MADE! Fear me...

Let the One-Man Pre-Made fear mongering fest begin. LOL!

Thus it was written, thus it must be truth.

[AlmightyAeng]

Well, looks like the launch module was released on schedule, wooo!

Also looks like it's full of...issues. This gem, for example. LOL.

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(Known Issue: Currently it is possible to have more than one group on a team.)

Edited by Ghost Badger, 29 April 2014 - 10:32 AM.