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[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 29 April 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

Go watch the "10 for the chairman" which they put out every week, to see how Chris answers questions about his game's development. More importantly, go look at their "Ask a Developer a question" forum to see the kinds of in-depth answers that the developers provide on various aspects of their game's development.

Missing deadlines isn't, in itself, a horrific atrocity. We don't fault PGI simply for being late... The difference is that the dogfighting module obviously exists. There's actually stuff that we can see, and reason to believe it's almost ready.

We no longer believe that they are actually developing what they say they are. They can prove us wrong, and that'd be great.. but they no longer are worthy of simple faith.

I look back to CB, when oh yeah, we had regular, constant communication with the Devs. Paul used to hold roundtable chats late at night in the Comstar NA server. (And yes, much of it was talking blue sky, much like what 90% of SC is right now). And the community, even before deadlines started to be missed, turned totally toxic. And yes, then they clammed up like little children with hurt feelings.

Am I defending the lack of progress on CW, or even the Devs response to the Forums? No. SImply pointing out fact, that when I see people talk about the "Old Forums" like some sort of golden age of Camelot, they must either be talking REALLY early CB Forums, or were the happy speculators who didn't actually have CB forum access, because the "Old Forums", in general, were full of vile comments, constant accusations and hate mongering at everything the Devs said and any comment a person felt didn't support their agenda (and yes the vocal members of the groups in my OP certainly had one, and no, it was not near as clever and well thought out as they thought, in fact most of their solutions were more misguided and myopic than Paul or Russ, which is saying something) and sorts of rat bastardry.

And while PGI may not be worthy of faith, neither has most of the playerbase represented on these bloody forums.

The "Negative" tone of the Forums today, are nothing compared to the 3 months or so leading up to Open Beta. We can argue the cause til blue in the face, that is secondary to this myth that the old forums were actually generally positive.

(Also to compare the DogFighting Module to CW is laughably disingenuous...... the core MEchanics in MWo are there too. His little demo showed nothing about if it was remotely balanced, how many bugs and glitches he intentionally avoided and such. So far all anyone has for his version of CW/Factions, perpetual gaming, is his word. And the game has been in development for a fair bit now itself..... with a WHOLE lot more crowdfunded capitol.

He may indeed deliver something close to what he promised, someday. But ATM, his timeline month to month comparison of when MWO actually got started, ain't that different, and he is already running into issues. Some, oddly the same issues MWO did, such as some spectacular CryEngine rewriting being needed)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 29 April 2014 - 05:57 AM.

[Agent of Change]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 April 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

I look back to CB, when oh yeah, we had regular, constant communication with the Devs. Paul used to hold roundtable chats late at night in the Comstar NA server. (And yes, much of it was talking blue sky, much like what 90% of SC is right now). And the community, even before deadlines started to be missed, turned totally toxic. And yes, then they clammed up like little children with hurt feelings.

Am I defending the lack of progress on CW, or even the Devs response to the Forums? No. SImply pointing out fact, that when I see people talk about the "Old Forums" like some sort of golden age of Camelot, they must either be talking REALLY early CB Forums, or were the happy speculators who didn't actually have CB forum access, because the "Old Forums", in general, were full of vile comments, constant accusations and hate mongering at everything the Devs said and any comment a person felt didn't support their agenda (and yes the vocal members of the groups in my OP certainly had one, and no, it was not near as clever and well thought out as they thought, in fact most of their solutions were more misguided and myopic than Paul or Russ, which is saying something) and sorts of rat bastardry.

And while PGI may not be worthy of faith, neither has most of the playerbase represented on these bloody forums.

The "Negative" tone of the Forums today, are nothing compared to the 3 months or so leading up to Open Beta. We can argue the cause til blue in the face, that is secondary to this myth that the old forums were actually generally positive.

(Also to compare the DogFighting Module to CW is laughably disingenuous...... the core MEchanics in MWo are there too. His little demo showed nothing about if it was remotely balanced, how many bugs and glitches he intentionally avoided and such. So far all anyone has for his version of CW/Factions, perpetual gaming, is his word. And the game has been in development for a fair bit now itself..... with a WHOLE lot more crowdfunded capitol.

He may indeed deliver something close to what he promised, someday. But ATM, his timeline month to month comparison of when MWO actually got started, ain't that different, and he is already running into issues. Some, oddly the same issues MWO did, such as some spectacular CryEngine rewriting being needed)

The "OLD FORUMS" necessitated the creation of K-town. Now while I am endlessly grateful for that it still says something about the state of both the "Old Forums" and the general quality of the community at the time.

Nostalgia is generally optimistic at best and polishing a tird at worst. (stupid filter, I beat you this time with clever misspelling.)

Edited by Agent of Change, 29 April 2014 - 07:01 AM.

[canned wolf]

RAM, on 29 April 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

No - only good goon is a dead goon. Good riddance Vile Rat.


RAM
ELH

Just happened to be cruising the forums for nostalgia's sake and what do I find?
RAM being a jerk. I guess some things never change. At least you aren't a mod any more.
You may not like the fact that he was a goon, but the guy died in the line of duty during an attack on an embassy. If you can't be respectful, have the good sense to shut up.

Edited by canned wolf, 29 April 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[iamunkle]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 April 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

He may indeed deliver something close to what he promised, someday. But ATM, his timeline month to month comparison of when MWO actually got started, ain't that different, and he is already running into issues. Some, oddly the same issues MWO did, such as some spectacular CryEngine rewriting being needed)

am i correct in that MWO didnt opt in for CryEngine tech support or something along those lines?

whilst SC employed one of the guys responsible for making CryEngine...?

least theres a good rep with CR,
and like Roland posted on page 2, nice game russ an bryan.. pfft

[iamunkle]

and sure the forums in SC may seem like a pack of rose glassed children atm,

proof is in the pudding, and they are showing their progress, even the problems they run into,
heck look at the damage state video, 150+ different damage animations along the hornet?
thats changes to the shape and structure of the ship,

while our mechs get a scorched arm, some bullet holes..

when SC does run into problems, im sure it will be handled better then PGI did in these forums,
there will be COMMUNICATION RUSS! and probably apologies that are actualy apologies.

[Bishop Steiner]

iamunkle, on 30 April 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

am i correct in that MWO didnt opt in for CryEngine tech support or something along those lines?

whilst SC employed one of the guys responsible for making CryEngine...?

least theres a good rep with CR,
and like Roland posted on page 2, nice game russ an bryan.. pfft

I believe the difference in tech support comes down to "funds on hand". But still waiting for a real live product that isn't just "Wing Commander 2016" (not that a new WC would be bad, but for the buy in people have been making, this thing better be beyond epic, and beyond dogfighting)

[AC]

xhrit, on 28 April 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

Yup. It is kinda sad how stagnat the forums have become. Of course it is to be expected with how stagnat the game has become.

Its because when PGI decides the forums are not saying what they want, they switch them up and brush all the unwanted stuff into the archive black hole.

What is the point of trying anymore.... the game is what it is and it will not be better than now. Accept that and things are easier to swallow.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

[GalaxyBluestar]

XtremWarrior, on 29 April 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

Honnestly, when i discovered this game, i went in the forums for the 1st time in my life.
At first glance, it was a beautiful world full of hopes and suggestions. So i tried to be some part of this movements, wanting to improve the game by giving my feedback, etc.
Then reality caught me. Forums are full of whinners that obviously never give a second thoughts about their opinions, which by the way are not opinions because when forumers spoke, it's because they know everything so it's not "personnal matters" but "facts".
Trying to reason here will only make more narrow minded genius rage.
Grandpa talking about their first experiences with BT-TT, wanting the MW franchise to suddenly become BattleTech for no other reason than being old and lost in their past, judging a MMO shooter by tabletop's standards...
People raging against PGI whatever they do or don't do, calling for horrible cash-grab all the time, but then starting to worship SC and it's 15k$ package. (Sure, no money grab here, it's totally worth it! rofl)
And I can go on and on and on with this awesome community we have.

But sure, blame PGI. Better and easier than looking in the mirror, right?

and how did pgi manage this playerbase? rip the forums up into subsections after subsections and deterr all these threads being posted... so they made news blogs and reddits and other hate forums on foreign games forums instead with the ability to cite "well pgi won't alow us to ramble on their forums" customer relations fail.

yep the cancer is over the web instead of contained on the forums. ontop of the general dissapproval bombing metacritic and the youtube vids. it's not the company's fault that when people see a product they think is bad they actually say it's bad. all pgi's responsibility not the customers unless you like the silent treatment where everyone should sit down, shut up be thankfull for your money being put towards a product that doesn't meet your standards or the company's own deadlines. that why GEN disc got brought back to rectify the mistake pgi made in breeading more discontent. of course it's the players fault for finding warthunder and SC better in many aspects and telling everyone about it in a good light whilst dissing MWO with a flood of examples why it deserves the hate it gets.

[Sephlock]

iamunkle, on 28 April 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

A T-rex contemplating how hes actualy gonna be able to make his bed after everyones had their laugh

Huh?

Bishop Steiner, on 30 April 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

I believe the difference in tech support comes down to "funds on hand". But still waiting for a real live product that isn't just "Wing Commander 2016" (not that a new WC would be bad, but for the buy in people have been making, this thing better be beyond epic, and beyond dogfighting)

I refuse to believe all that nonsense about Hobbes. He was a great wingman and a trustworthy friend!

[iamunkle]

Sephlock, on 30 April 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Huh?

#33;

Like everyone has their laugh, coz the t-rex has stumpy arms.…cant make bed..? T-rex kinda goes along with the joke... Ha-ha, poor me...That sad awkward moment when the laughing stops and the t-rex puts a serious effort into actualy doing it but cant


Does anyone picture it anyother way?!
Did i say it wrong?! =S

[Lindonius]

mwhighlander, on 30 April 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

Check out how boring the forums are for Elite Dangerous.......

http://forums.fronti...isplay.php?f=30

This is what a forum for a game that keeps its customers happy looks like.

Edited by Lindonius, 30 April 2014 - 11:42 PM.

[Straylight]

iamunkle, on 28 April 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

I remember excitement, joy, anticipation positivity and a general pleasant feeling,
People coming up with ideas for the game, hopes and dreams an stars in their eyes

You sound like you could use a drink, Sir:




Sláinte!