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#1 Jeffrey Wilder

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:33 PM

You can refer to my previous link for "Failed to find match" in http://mwomercs.com/...o-wait-to-drop/


I have confirmation that long wait times or even perpetual "Failed to find match" problems are due to high ELOs; Probably you are already at cap or very close to cap for that weight class.

I have failed 6X in a row before for dropping in PUG for ANY MODE.
In other words, if you happen to be at cap for EVERY weight class, then you are in for a good time; GOOD time for in trying to click "Failed to find match" over and over again.

So I suppose for those who are already at a very high ELO; near cap. Does that mean MWO is over for us? I don't feel like failing 6X or more trying to just play a game. Failing this many means I only play like 2 to 3 games an hour!

Now, how is that going to be fun when you spend MOST OF YOUR TIME clicking?

#2 Jun Watarase

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

I am almost 100% sure that every single person with a high ELO pre-patch got there by pug stomping in 4 mans with meta builds...its funny how you never hear solo players complain about being stuck with a high ELO.

#3 Roland

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:44 PM

View PostJun Watarase, on 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

I am almost 100% sure that every single person with a high ELO pre-patch got there by pug stomping in 4 mans with meta builds...

I believe you are mistaken.

#4 KAT Ayanami

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:50 PM

View PostRoland, on 29 April 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

I believe you are mistaken.


I believe that you believe that he is mistaken.

#5 3rdworld

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:51 PM

I remember my first failed.

#6 Shatterpoint

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:05 PM

View PostJun Watarase, on 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

...its funny how you never hear solo players complain about being stuck with a high ELO.


Is there a way of finding your ELO? I'd be temped to complain for the hell of it, probably not high enough in the ratings to qualify but that's just a technicality.

#7 Levi Porphyrogenitus

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:45 PM

View PostJeffrey Wilder, on 29 April 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

I have confirmation that long wait times or even perpetual "Failed to find match" problems are due to high ELOs; Probably you are already at cap or very close to cap for that weight class.


Source? Your linked thread had nothing definitive and seemed more like ego stroking than anything substantive.

#8 80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:46 PM

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//I was ganna log off, but these threads keep popping up!

#9 Nightfire

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:15 PM

View PostJun Watarase, on 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

I am almost 100% sure that every single person with a high ELO pre-patch got there by pug stomping in 4 mans with meta builds...its funny how you never hear solo players complain about being stuck with a high ELO.

Every!
Single!
Person!
with a high Elo?

So there is positively not one single person with a high Elo that could possibly have any skill whatsoever?

You really should let go of your Anti-Group bigotry.

#10 Mavairo

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:17 PM

I don't think it works that way.
If it does, then I'm kind of sad. Because I'm not really trying all that hard with this game.

#11 Mawai

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:22 PM

Honestly, with the current launch module issues ... I don't think this thread makes any sense.

They have already admitted to bugs in the Launch module. They removed the 3/3/3/3 constraint and the ability to specify game mode.

The linked thread refers to the previous matchmaker ... the new one is supposed to have different ELO constraints with 3 broad bins ... so your whole topic may go poof once they get the launch module working (assuming they do get it working).

Anyway, frustrating as "Failed to Find a match" is ... might as well wait and see what happens with the matchmaker revisions.

#12 GalaxyBluestar

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:34 PM

strangely the waiting times haven't been too bad a little longer but not horrible...

as for the game though... conquest conquest skirmish conquest... i wanted to play assaultand can't. team composition assaults assaults asaults.. so much for 3/3/3/3.

logged out.

#13 xMEPHISTOx

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:25 PM

View PostGalaxyBluestar, on 29 April 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

strangely the waiting times haven't been too bad a little longer but not horrible...

as for the game though... conquest conquest skirmish conquest... i wanted to play assaultand can't. team composition assaults assaults asaults.. so much for 3/3/3/3.

logged out.


Yeah logged out myself after realizing I could no longer pick my game mode...lame, after just being given that feature. Bait and hook>? If they want me to put out $$$ for monthly premium they will need to release CW's, all this forcing me into a premium acct is just going to drive me away...again until there's CW's I will no doubt play less than I had been prior to this change.

#14 Jeffrey Wilder

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostShatterpoint, on 29 April 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

Is there a way of finding your ELO? I'd be temped to complain for the hell of it, probably not high enough in the ratings to qualify but that's just a technicality.


Yes.

The only way is to drop support an email.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:32 PM

View PostJun Watarase, on 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

I am almost 100% sure that every single person with a high ELO pre-patch got there by pug stomping in 4 mans with meta builds...its funny how you never hear solo players complain about being stuck with a high ELO.

Obviously you've never been there. Alot of people START to go into 4 mens BECAUSE they CAN NOT Solodrop anymore e.g. because their average solo que is over 6 minutes to find a match pre-patch.

I can't draw any conclusions on this patch yet and I don't know all the Lords players personal History but for example for Edmiester, Cyborx and me we've had the same issue and than we started teaming up and et voila, the matchmaker starts to build the team-rooster around your group instead of trying to fit you into somewhere.

#16 XX Sulla XX

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:52 PM

Best I can tell everything being complained about is part of the problems they were having today. Not part of it working as intended.

xMEPHISTOx for public games they turned of picking your game mode just for a bit to fix something. It is not intended to stay that way.

#17 A banana in the tailpipe

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:35 PM

View PostRoland, on 29 April 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

I believe you are mistaken.


I know you are mistaken.

While I don't agree with the OP, PUGs rarely complained about wait times to directly launch. They complaiend about the time wasted inbetween being stomped and having to relaunch.

Pugs complain about only getting 1 mile per gallon, while tryhards complain there aren't enough pugs to drill oil for them.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 April 2014 - 09:41 PM.


#18 Jeffrey Wilder

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:15 AM

View PostEglar, on 29 April 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

Obviously you've never been there. Alot of people START to go into 4 mens BECAUSE they CAN NOT Solodrop anymore e.g. because their average solo que is over 6 minutes to find a match pre-patch.

I can't draw any conclusions on this patch yet and I don't know all the Lords players personal History but for example for Edmiester, Cyborx and me we've had the same issue and than we started teaming up and et voila, the matchmaker starts to build the team-rooster around your group instead of trying to fit you into somewhere.


Yes, the solo queue for high ELOs are way too long and that means no more MWO for high ELOs.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 01:12 AM

View PostJun Watarase, on 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

I am almost 100% sure that every single person with a high ELO pre-patch got there by pug stomping in 4 mans with meta builds...its funny how you never hear solo players complain about being stuck with a high ELO.


I am 100% sure that not everyone with a low ELO pre-patch got there by disconnecting & junning; just you. It is funny how you never hear team players complain about being stuck with a low ELO.


RAM
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#20 Marmon Rzohr

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 01:57 AM

View PostKAT Ayanami, on 29 April 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:


I believe that you believe that he is mistaken.


I'm sorry, but that is simply wrong. Some people really do win consistently, even solo. I know. I've been killed by all of them :P

Hey, even I've got around a 1.9 win/loss over hundreds of matches in my good mechs. And I'm a mediocre pilot at best. And I only drop solo. When waiting for matches in my best rated mech the wait is quite noticable. Around 2-3 mins depending to the time of day.





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