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[Denolven]

I have a Victor that I played sometimes when teaming up, for the Dakka fun and all (AC2 against big things, lasers against small things). Managed to be somewhat usefull in it. My aiming and reflexes suck, wich is why high alpha long cooldown weapons usually don't work well for me. Usually I'm capable of finding openings in the formation, then strike somewhere with high dps and suppression effect. The requirement of "face time" was ok for me, because with bad reflexes I need alot of face time anyway.

Now that both range and rate of fire have been reduced by 30%, I find myself being rather useless. The days of 600 damage are completely gone, because I lost both the ranged advantage and the melee dps advantage. And to top it off, I spent some MC to make it look good just before the nerfbat hit my main weapon.

Now the question is: what shall I do with it? The only ballistic weapon that has ever worked for me is now crippled. But I spent alot of time and some money to pimp it, so selling it hurts too

Edited by Denolven, 01 May 2014 - 04:35 AM.

[Roughneck45]

Denolven, on 01 May 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

Now the question is: what shall I do with it?

Add more Dakka of course!

VTR-9B

Place ammo where you please, I just shoved it in there lol. Could go with 2 tons for each and replace the mediums with a large laser.

Edited by Roughneck45, 01 May 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[RedPandaPrince]

Depends on which Victor you are using, but for now lets just say you're using the Victor-9S. Honestly the best loadout for any victor is probably 2 PPC 2 AC/5 but that is with any Victor or Highlander. My best advice would be, get good at actually hitting things. If you can hit things your damage will go up.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3c4ebb24104ddfa

Or if you have a Dragon Slayer.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=87&l=e8249e5d7d6eee8cb3be2c84a884dc42ead12a80

[Konril]

Do you know about mouse sensitivity? If it's set too high, it can become difficult to aim accurately at enemy mechs, if set too low it can be difficult to aim arms and turn the torso fast enough. Jump into the testing grounds and experiment there to get your mouse sensitivity ('Esc' to bring up menu and select settings there) as low as it can go without slowing down your arm and torso twist, and that should improve your accuracy.

Otherwise. Even with the recent autocannon nerf, the autocannons are still better than their laser and PPC counterparts for suppression and DPS. However they're now only slightly better instead of overwhelmingly better. Replacing some of the AC/2s with AC/5 or Ultra AC/5s does make sense, but keep in mind that AC/5s and Ultra AC/5s were also nerfed in the same patch. So it might not make that much of a difference.

Your mech may feel "crippled" compared to what it used to be. But I can assure you that it is certainly not crippled in comparison to what everybody else has.


I'm afraid that if your reflexes are really bad enough that you can't adjust, you may need a completely new mech and a different set of weapons. LRMs are competitive now, and since they're guided weapons, they only require you to be pointed generally at the target and they do most of the aiming for you. You don't need to worry about hitting the trigger at just the right split-second or leading the target to adjust for shot travel time. So LRM skill involves more tactics than twitch. You might like them.

[Ultimax]

Konril, on 01 May 2014 - 07:11 AM, said:

Otherwise. Even with the recent autocannon nerf, the autocannons are still better than their laser and PPC counterparts for suppression and DPS. However they're now only slightly better instead of overwhelmingly better. Replacing some of the AC/2s with AC/5 or Ultra AC/5s does make sense, but keep in mind that AC/5s and Ultra AC/5s were also nerfed in the same patch. So it might not make that much of a difference.

Also for the extra 2 tons 3x AC 2 is still higher DPS than 2x AC 5.

Since the build the OP was running wasn't focused on larger alpha strikes anyway, the AC 2 is not really any worse than the AC 5 except for extreme range.


To be honest, when I was running my 3x AC 2 Victor - extreme range firing often seemed like a waste of ammo.

At 1000m you are still doing more than half damage per volley.

[Denolven]

Konril, on 01 May 2014 - 07:11 AM, said:

Do you know about mouse sensitivity?

Yup, it's set already to work with the mouse and my abilities.

GreedyTacoTheif, on 01 May 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

Depends on which Victor you are using

9B, since it's the only one with 3 ballistic hardpoints that I needed to stack AC2s. The task is to make this one work, not to buy another one again.

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My best advice would be, get good at actually hitting things. If you can hit things your damage will go up.

That's not really an option. My compatibility with indirect controls is rather bad. Give me a real sword and I can use that, give me a screen and mouse and I'll always suck. I would need tons of training just to reach average levels.
Considering I have a job and a life outside of MWO, I won't waste my time on that. It's little to no gain for massive cost. Also I have literally no drive for competitive stuff. Instead of bending myself to the meta, I'm bending the mech to fit my abilities, which gives alot better results alot faster. ELO is supposed to handle the rest. My goal is not to become the best tournament gamer out there, my goal is to have fun and be usefull while having fun.

Konril, on 01 May 2014 - 07:11 AM, said:

I'm afraid that if your reflexes are really bad enough that you can't adjust, you may need a completely new mech and a different set of weapons.

So the answer is basically "sell it"?

Konril, on 01 May 2014 - 07:11 AM, said:

LRMs are competitive now, and since they're guided weapons, they only require you to be pointed generally at the target and they do most of the aiming for you. LRM skill involves more tactics than twitch. You might like them.

Oh I do - I'm probably the only guy out there who plays 4 Trebuchets and loves them (successfull too). But the question is what do I do with that Victor in my garage?
What happened that LRMs are considered competitive now? Did I miss something? Playing for 2 years and they never were (except for those two Lurmageddon weeks).

Ultimatum X, on 01 May 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

To be honest, when I was running my 3x AC 2 Victor - extreme range firing often seemed like a waste of ammo.

I used that range to my advantage, in both my Victor and Blackjack (which feels a bit useless now too). The whole point was that I have decent speed and can pick my range, depending on what the enemy had. Plus the Dakka effect took them down to my level of aiming.
Removing the range killed 50% of my gameplay. Lowering the firing rate didn't help either.

Anyway, I'll probably try the "moar DAKKA!" approach, although the two LL were handy in more than one situation. If that doesn't work I'll probably give the meta another try (although I'm pretty sure I won't hit anything anyway). Doesn't look good for good old Victor...

[Mechi Messer]

Put two AC5s and one AC2 on your arm. It runs cool and allows you to dish out constantly. two mlas here and there and you can do quite some damage even if you're not the supreme aimcommander. I don't like the ultra-ac5. Too unreliable.

Edited by Mechi Messer, 01 May 2014 - 01:33 PM.

[Ultimax]

Denolven, on 01 May 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

I used that range to my advantage, in both my Victor and Blackjack (which feels a bit useless now too). The whole point was that I have decent speed and can pick my range, depending on what the enemy had. Plus the Dakka effect took them down to my level of aiming.

I think you still can.

You can still hit targets at 1000m for half damage, and up close basically chainsaw components off.


Perhaps you could adjust, take a bit more heat on and switch to ER LLAS.

They have a more complimentary range profile with your AC 2s.


Regardless, good luck with it. It might just take a period of getting used to the new range & RoF.