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[Creovex]

• ON1-K (Can you really go wrong with an Orion? I think not!)
  
• CTF-4X (Great to bang around in, but too slow for my liking)
  
• CPLT-K2 (Torso hitboxes make this my last choice)

[Rhaythe]

I ran the Locust 1V (MG build) and the Griffin 1S last night, and both ran beautifully. No heat problems at all. I ran my battlemaster 1D last, and it did well enough. I'm looking to expand my hanger, and the RS and a Hunchback 4G are both calling me.

[InRev]

Butane9000, on 06 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

I have the Thunderbolt 5S I myself am going to give a go with next weekend. I hope it works out with it's unconventional load out.

Keep me posted on how that works. I'm *thiiiis* close to getting one, myself, since I'm loving the classic trooper mechs, but it looks like it would be a hot-running machine (large laser, LRM-15 AND 3 MLasers? Ouch). Granted, the MGs could help alleviate that, but I tend to sacrifice my arms in brawls . . .

[Bishop Steiner]

Butane9000, on 06 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

All are excellent choices.

I myself run the ON1-K to great effect. Yes it's a jack of all trades but it ends up being a juggernaut in comparison to many mechs. I know I lead multiple charges in this unit and survived.

I currently run my K2 in a modified stock build (upgraded engine, DHS, Endo but stock weaponry). I feel that it's stock load out is still very strong. Just have to chain fire those PPCs.

The 4X was apparently extremely solid last night. Normally a LRM5 is scoffed at but with AMS being a rarity and no ECM it's effectiveness is drastically increased since nearly all missiles hit their target.

I have the Thunderbolt 5S I myself am going to give a go with next weekend. I hope it works out with it's unconventional load out. I also prepared a Highlander 733C and Hunchback 4J. Should prove interesting.

hey, if you want to do some trial runs before then let me know, lets see about pulling a group together.

Rhaythe, on 06 May 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

I ran the Locust 1V (MG build) and the Griffin 1S last night, and both ran beautifully. No heat problems at all. I ran my battlemaster 1D last, and it did well enough. I'm looking to expand my hanger, and the RS and a Hunchback 4G are both calling me.

you and me both. I am thinking that it's time to start returning a lot of my less used mechs to stock, for this. No point having 80 mechs when only 10 do well in unlimited comp anyhow. But it's pretty interesting how many "dogs" turned into wolves last night!

Creovex, on 06 May 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

• ON1-K (Can you really go wrong with an Orion? I think not!)
  
• CTF-4X (Great to bang around in, but too slow for my liking)
  
• CPLT-K2 (Torso hitboxes make this my last choice)

Can't disagree with that order, though the hitboxes are a bit less an issue without massive alphas being tossed everywhere.... still you get focused, you still melt! I am leaning away from the K2 myself (though if the modelers fix the PPCs I might reverse course!)... because I think the other two are better overall fighters.

[Rhaythe]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

hey, if you want to do some trial runs before then let me know, lets see about pulling a group together.

Mind a third?

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

you and me both. I am thinking that it's time to start returning a lot of my less used mechs to stock, for this. No point having 80 mechs when only 10 do well in unlimited comp anyhow. But it's pretty interesting how many "dogs" turned into wolves last night!

Pretty much this. Gonna get costly downgrading all these heat sinks. I just jumped out of a few matches, and I couldn't help but miss last night's gaming already.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

The only mech not on my on my short list is the Orion ON1-K it is just too heat bound for all those weapons. For that loadout I would look to a centurion. However I did like the Orion ON1-VA because it thows out the extemporaneous LRM15 and says I am here to brawl with 6 more heatsinks.

However, the Catapult CPLT-K2 is at the top because it has great sustained damage over time (DPS), due to a large heat sink pool, with a good compliment of close range weapons; no wasted tonnage there.

However the Cataphract 4X is immediately behind it, but only because of low slung arms and slow movement. Otherwise it has a lot of promise, and one of the few mechs to carry way more ammo than it needs (for a table top game).

After that I added a Thunderbolt TDR-5SS as honorable mention. The Thunderbolt is a great all-purpose mech with excellent cooling (and a flamer which I so want to try in this format).

Catapult CPLT-K2
Cataphract CTF-4X
Orion ON1-VA
Thunderbold TDR-5SS

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 06 May 2014 - 07:37 PM.

[Wildstreak]

K2 and 4X seem aimed for long range fire support especially the K2 with the 90m minimum on PPCs.
The Orion does anything.

I would say keep one of the first two plus the Orion then ask your team what they need. You will have your pick of either.

[Mcgral18]

mwhighlander, on 06 May 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

TBH I would probably pick the CTF-1X.

Standard engine, and it has a PPC/AC10. No jets though, but it has a pretty solid loadout for what it is.

I do have one handy, but having only a single ton of ammo makes it very heat dependent. Those 4 MLs and PPC make alot of heat, and the dakka won't last long. But it will certainly hurt.

[Bishop Steiner]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 06 May 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

The only mech not on my on my short list is the Orion ON1-K it is just too heat bound for all those weapons. For that loadout I would look to a centurion. However I did like the Orion ON1-VA because it thows out the extemporaneous LRM15 and says I am here to brawl with 6 more heatsinks.

However, the Catapult CPLT-K2 is at the top because it has great sustained damage over time (DPS), due to a large heat sink pool, with a good compliment of close range weapons; no wasted tonnage there.

However the Cataphract 4X is immediately behind it, but only because of low slung arms and slow movement. Otherwise it has a lot of promise, and one of the few mechs to carry way more ammo than it needs (for a table top game).

After that I added a Thunderbolt TDR-5SS as honorable mention. The Thunderbolt is a great all-purpose mech with excellent cooling (and a flamer which I so want to try in this format).

Hey Agent!

Good points, but I found last night, generalists work. You can't use them all at once, but that LRM15 and ac10 put out big hurt at range, for decent heat, and the mediums and 10 are solid up close, with the 4 tossed in when heat drives you away from the mediums.

I do love the VA, but as I said, won't downgrade the 2 I own as they are primary mechs for normal money making match play. (same reason I wouldn't touch any of my Heros beside maybe the Wang.... I would rather use them in matches I get money)

Never have liked the V, feels like a compromise.

Rhaythe, on 06 May 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

Mind a third?


Pretty much this. Gonna get costly downgrading all these heat sinks. I just jumped out of a few matches, and I couldn't help but miss last night's gaming already.

Same, was trying to get into the new Hero, but the herpaderp cat herding and minmax mentality....just felt like having to return to a dreaded desk job after the most amazing tropical vacation of your life. And trust me.... there is a reason I quite my sales job to become a dive master in tropical Mexico!

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

I do have one handy, but having only a single ton of ammo makes it very heat dependent. Those 4 MLs and PPC make alot of heat, and the dakka won't last long. But it will certainly hurt.

Agreed, heat management will be key. But its hard to say no to what is otherwise a pretty solid loadout for a stock. The standard engine on a 73kph phract makes for a very solid battlephract.

You bet I'd be doing double coolshot on that mech to stay in the fight as long as possible.

[Mcgral18]

mwhighlander, on 06 May 2014 - 08:22 PM, said:

Agreed, heat management will be key. But its hard to say no to what is otherwise a pretty solid loadout for a stock. The standard engine on a 73kph phract makes for a very solid battlephract.

You bet I'd be doing double coolshot on that mech to stay in the fight as long as possible.

Ah, but only if those are permitted.

I believe in the current rules, only the DDC can use comsumables, due to the command console.

[Ultimax]

Sybreed, on 06 May 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

jesus, I don't enjoy the game enough anymore to regrind my favorite mechs so I can play them stock, but playing stock matches really sound like more fun. Ugh... talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I have no knowledge of the rules of the stock drops (I've not tried it), but you might ask if they'd let you run in a trial mech until you decide to commit with a mech of choice.

Technically those are stock builds, but they do have some upgrades so you'd probably want to check with the organizers.


EDIT: I was curious and I began looking at stock mech builds and when I got to the DDC...I forgot it comes without ECM but also comes with the command console...lol.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 06 May 2014 - 08:47 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Ultimatum X, on 06 May 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

I have no knowledge of the rules of the stock drops (I've not tried it), but you might ask if they'd let you run in a trial mech until you decide to commit with a mech of choice.

Technically those are stock builds, but they do have some upgrades so you'd probably want to check with the organizers.

The Trial mechs are a no go...those things are DHS, endo AND ferro for the most part. They would wreck most stock builds.

For the most part.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

The Trial mechs are a no go...those things are DHS, endo AND ferro for the most part. They would wreck most stock builds.

For the most part.

very true.


It's actually impressive the power leap between tier 1 and tier 2 tech. Yes, we all know they screwed the heat threshold up, but considering the way they DID take heat, I actually gotta say 1.4 makes sense (sort of). I can tell you now, just one lance packing DHS on a 12 man team last night? Would have totally, utterly owned the other team, every single match.

But, you know what? DHS was part of what broke TT, to, the Clans just put the nail in the coffin.

[GalaxyBluestar]

be classy

be the orion

it's least expected.

[Bishop Steiner]

GalaxyBluestar, on 06 May 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

be classy

be the orion

it's least expected.

always expect the unexpected

[Jae Hyun Nakamura]

Stock Monday?

How am i able to participate?

And what is the Timeline? I Play from Europe so 10 am Patch is 7 pm in my Country.

[Rushin Roulette]

Jae Hyun Nakamura, on 06 May 2014 - 11:20 PM, said:

Stock Monday?

How am i able to participate?

And what is the Timeline? I Play from Europe so 10 am Patch is 7 pm in my Country.

The times are currnetly not euro friendly, howeverm there is a tournament in the German forums;

http://mwomercs.com/...solaris-7-open/

Maybe you want to look up one of the units running in there (although this season is just about over, there is guaranteed to be a 4th season soon).

[Martis Gradivus]

Out of those 3 choices, I'd go CPLT-K2 and then the ON1-K.

But if I can make a last second suggestion, the TDR-5SS is surprising. PPC that can fire a whole lot before overheat and 3 ML and 1 SRM 6 for when you really need to tell someone how you REALLY feel about them. Ran it Monday and it was fun. Armoured, fast and relatively cool running.....winning combination....plus who could say NO to a FLAMER!!!!!

Edited by Martis Gradivus, 06 May 2014 - 11:45 PM.

[Adridos]

Out of sheer curiosity, what are the power differences between a stock m. and stock m. with all perks?

Anyway, have you tried some Thunderbolts? The originals should do pretty well when facing 3025 era equipment.