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[Praehotec8]

Hi, just curious if this is open to the general public. If so, when and where is the event?

Also, Which mechs are allowed? Only heavies, or all weights? Is it only open to stock mechs with SHS? I have always loved the STK-5M and its loadout, but it has DHS.

[Karl Streiger]

Pitty you can't use the 5SE....or do you allow modifications?

I have played the TDR-5SS and 5SE when Phoenix went online . both are solide mechs that pack some good punch - if you keep an eye on the heat.
Lucky the 5S with its SRM 2 and MG can deal some good firepower when your heat scale is almost critical.
Reason i would always choose the K2 for Stock Games - (never fire both PPCs at once) MGs for cooling

[Adridos]

Praehotec8, on 07 May 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

Hi, just curious if this is open to the general public. If so, when and where is the event?

Also, Which mechs are allowed? Only heavies, or all weights? Is it only open to stock mechs with SHS? I have always loved the STK-5M and its loadout, but it has DHS.

Here's the relevant info: http://mwomercs.com/...k-mech-mondays/

All classes allowed, 3/3/3/3 drops, SHS only.

[Androas]

While its a good thing to see that the group grows and you have fun, i still wonder a) WHY do stock mechs have such a bad name, because within PUG matches, those work just fine.

The only Mechs i really felt that did need a rework, have been the Grid Iron, because Gauss + XL is a BAD thing, but i bet, it would work, if i would play him more carefully, the Hero jenner, but that one is just beyond salvagable, if you ask me. And Finnaly a few adjustemnts, mainly enginge, to the Bors Head.

But most of the Stock Variants "problem" can simply be solved, by playing more carefull, not enough ammo? Uhm, aim better then? Runs to hot? Be a bit smarter about when you fire?

But at the end of the day, Stock loadouts help a lot in learning and improving, not saying fully optimised builds are not Fun,
or not good, but Stock loadouts, just teach you more and, most of them are versatile enough so you wont get caught in "oh ****" situations, as with those overspecialed Meta builds, which usualy only work, with a decent Team of other meta builds to cover other anyway.

You really should pit your Stock mechs in PUG play and see how you do
There are anyway a lot of people running stock there, or slight modifications.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

So, last night, playing in the private Stock Mech Madness matches, I had more fun than any time since Closed Beta ended. There was a hiccup or two, as expected, but overall, I am hooked.

I have 2 Stock mechs already owned, the SHD-2H I spent most of the night in, and a BLR-1D.
I don't run Lights not named "Ember", so it's really down to what mech to use should my team need a Heavy Mech.

The finalists, based off my playstyle are: (drum roll please!)
the CPLT-K2 !
Always a favorite, even with horribly silly looking PPC arms now, the PPCs give long range punch without ammo dependence, while the medium lasers and MG let it fight up close, relatively cooly. And MGs are just a skosh more effective than when I used this thing stock in Closed Beta!

Our next contestant, is the often misunderstood CTF-4X ! Which while slow, is a low heat killer, with plentiful ammo reserves, by stock standards!

And our last finalist, the ever popular ON1-K !
Heavily armored, it is often derided as the "poor man's Atlas", but with it's nearly 20 kph higher speed, all purpose, all range armament, it is more than capable of standing on it's own merits!

So, good citizens, trolls and tryhards, please lend me your opinions on which option to add to my Mechbay!

Damit! I had to be on 10s this week. Which puts me in bed Long before the Madness began! Show up next week Buddy. I wanna drop and kill with you again!

[Jae Hyun Nakamura]

@Rushin: thx mate for the helping Hand. Like

[GalaxyBluestar]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

always expect the unexpected

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 07 May 2014 - 03:03 AM.

[Barantor]

I would go with the Orion K.

The various ranged weapons will let you throw damage downrange without a big heatspike like one which is only a brawler will get. The armor on the Orion is some of the best in the stock heavies and the weapon loadout is like having two mediums.

It won't snipe like the K2 and might not be as brawly as the Phract but it will put out damage regardless of what the battlefield poses. It would do well in River City as much as it would in Caustic Valley whereas the other two might not.

My next stock purchase will be an orion, I have the M already stocked back for whenever we start using Tech 2s against the clans and the protector is my moneymaker.

[ApolloKaras]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

heat system works surprisingly good when NOBODY can run around dropping alpha after alpha. I forget if you were around for Closed Beta, but once i got used to the heat scale, I never really thought about it again until DHS were released, and of course with GH and the return of full heat to PPCs.

But yeah, no crutches, full thinking mans shooter Btech. You need that teamwork to cover each others shortcomings, be it range, ammo issues, heat endurance, etc. No one man really can take over a match because if you try, you overheat in front of 5 bad guys, and die. You really have to be a lot more thoughtful and patience, because a twitch alpha doesn't cover any sins in stock mode!

But I do hope we largely veer away from tier 2 tech, or you will just get someone in a Galahad (or similar mech), eventually, going all GaussJager on people, and it'll be the Gaussapult in CB, all over again!


I'm going to be running a little late for mondays in the future due to IRL obligations, but I'll run with your RS anytime!

Yeah feels pretty good knowing that your medium mech isn't automatically dead if you make a mistake lol. I dont think you have to worry about being late, there were people there when I left at 100 am lol.

I know people are shouting for that stock queue in match maker, I just don't see the community using it much as a whole. However please do give that option to me in private matches. Maybe draw the armor back top in those matches. We have ammo problems because the armor values were doubled lol.

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

The Trial mechs are a no go...those things are DHS, endo AND ferro for the most part. They would wreck most stock builds.

For the most part.

That makes sense, thanks for the info.

[Bishop Steiner]

Praehotec8, on 07 May 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

Hi, just curious if this is open to the general public. If so, when and where is the event?

Also, Which mechs are allowed? Only heavies, or all weights? Is it only open to stock mechs with SHS? I have always loved the STK-5M and its loadout, but it has DHS.

http://mwomercs.com/...k-mech-mondays/

the low down was any class of mech, but it has to be bone stock. No modifying an existing chassis to make an analogue of another one. No DHS. So mechs like the SHD-5M are no-go. Some of the rules may be changed on indivdual basis, since I don't run this event, can't really comment too much, but on Monday, the RVN-3L was removed from the drop list, as it was found that the mix of being the only ECM carrier, but also packing TAG and NARC made it too potent a force multiplier. So it was 99% tier 1 Mechs.

Karl Streiger, on 07 May 2014 - 12:06 AM, said:

Pitty you can't use the 5SE....or do you allow modifications?

I have played the TDR-5SS and 5SE when Phoenix went online . both are solide mechs that pack some good punch - if you keep an eye on the heat.
Lucky the 5S with its SRM 2 and MG can deal some good firepower when your heat scale is almost critical.
Reason i would always choose the K2 for Stock Games - (never fire both PPCs at once) MGs for cooling

see above link

Androas, on 07 May 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

While its a good thing to see that the group grows and you have fun, i still wonder a) WHY do stock mechs have such a bad name, because within PUG matches, those work just fine.

The only Mechs i really felt that did need a rework, have been the Grid Iron, because Gauss + XL is a BAD thing, but i bet, it would work, if i would play him more carefully, the Hero jenner, but that one is just beyond salvagable, if you ask me. And Finnaly a few adjustemnts, mainly enginge, to the Bors Head.

But most of the Stock Variants "problem" can simply be solved, by playing more carefull, not enough ammo? Uhm, aim better then? Runs to hot? Be a bit smarter about when you fire?

But at the end of the day, Stock loadouts help a lot in learning and improving, not saying fully optimised builds are not Fun,
or not good, but Stock loadouts, just teach you more and, most of them are versatile enough so you wont get caught in "oh ****" situations, as with those overspecialed Meta builds, which usualy only work, with a decent Team of other meta builds to cover other anyway.

You really should pit your Stock mechs in PUG play and see how you do
There are anyway a lot of people running stock there, or slight modifications.

I'm willing to bet they are almost universally running "improved" stock as soon as they can afford it. Why? Because in no situation does a SHS mech stand a chance against a DHS mech, let alone an entire opfor of them. I do agree, they are eminently runnable. I ran them throughout closed beta. But even then, when everyone had SHS, take two pilots of equal skill, the Modified mech would almost always win.

[Bishop Steiner]

Saxie, on 07 May 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

Yeah feels pretty good knowing that your medium mech isn't automatically dead if you make a mistake lol. I dont think you have to worry about being late, there were people there when I left at 100 am lol.

I know people are shouting for that stock queue in match maker, I just don't see the community using it much as a whole. However please do give that option to me in private matches. Maybe draw the armor back top in those matches. We have ammo problems because the armor values were doubled lol.

yeah.... I remember the QQ in CB about dying too fast...... thing is...we have ammo problems, but if you get focused, you do die pretty fast even stock..... and some mechs like the Jager with pinpoint aim and convergence? DOA. If they would ever add some of the situational induced CoF I have pushed for, and reinstate the heat effects, like buggy HUDs, I think a return to stock armor could be doable. Now? NOt so sure.

Barantor, on 07 May 2014 - 04:05 AM, said:

I would go with the Orion K.

The various ranged weapons will let you throw damage downrange without a big heatspike like one which is only a brawler will get. The armor on the Orion is some of the best in the stock heavies and the weapon loadout is like having two mediums.

It won't snipe like the K2 and might not be as brawly as the Phract but it will put out damage regardless of what the battlefield poses. It would do well in River City as much as it would in Caustic Valley whereas the other two might not.

My next stock purchase will be an orion, I have the M already stocked back for whenever we start using Tech 2s against the clans and the protector is my moneymaker.

Yeah, curious about that. I am actually working on a Clan Invasion Event....but it will be Tier 1 Inner Sphere vs Stock Clan. 8 IS v 5 Clan Mechs. Am toying with allowing 1-2 Tier 2 IS chassis per team, but am worried about the arguing and QQing amongst the children not allowed to drive them.

[Lootee]

Intredasting. I'm going to give it a try next Monday.

How does the factory config JR7-F do? Is it a total heatbox or usable?

I can imagine most mechs that use ammo will run out in short order. Most stock configs rarely load more than 2 tons of ammo for any single weapon. Quite a few have just 1 ton per weapon.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 07 May 2014 - 05:55 AM.

[Viken]

Random stock mech facts!

The amount of armor on a stock RVN-4X is 8 less than a stock JM6-DD.

Shows you how paper thin a Jagermech's armor is supposed to be.

[Rhaythe]

I'm definitely getting my Hunchback 4G stock-ready by Monday. That AC20 on a medium is going to be pretty powerful, methinks, in this kind of arena. Did anyone fly that this past Monday?

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 07 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

I'm definitely getting my Hunchback 4G stock-ready by Monday. That AC20 on a medium is going to be pretty powerful, methinks, in this kind of arena. Did anyone fly that this past Monday?

it filled the juggernaut role nicely. I know I made it a point to try to avoid them til late in game....14 shots only takes you so far....but what glorious havoc you can wreak until it goes silent!

PanchoTortilla, on 07 May 2014 - 05:48 AM, said:

Intredasting. I'm going to give it a try next Monday.

How does the factory config JR7-F do? Is it a total heatbox or usable?

I can imagine most mechs that use ammo will run out in short order. Most stock configs rarely load more than 2 tons of ammo for any single weapon. Quite a few have just 1 ton per weapon.

chainfire is your friend.

[Crotch RockIt]

PanchoTortilla, on 07 May 2014 - 05:48 AM, said:

Intredasting. I'm going to give it a try next Monday.

How does the factory config JR7-F do? Is it a total heatbox or usable?

I can imagine most mechs that use ammo will run out in short order. Most stock configs rarely load more than 2 tons of ammo for any single weapon. Quite a few have just 1 ton per weapon.

I ran a JR7-F on Monday. I was very fun and much jumpier than the meta-Jenners, since it has 5 JJ, but heat was definitely a problem. I could get by with using 2 lasers at a time for a little while, but I'd soon have to either disengage (and cooldown takes a while with only 10 SHS) or switch to chain firing. That said, I'm not a great Light pilot (my KDR in public matches with Jenners hovers around 1.0), so I'm sure someone with more skill could be very successful with it.

Regarding Bishop's OP, I'm in a similar predicament about figuring out which Heavy I want to run (I just did Lights and Mediums last Monday). I'm probably going to get the CTF-4X, for several reasons.

1. I'm leveling Cataphracts right now anyway and need another variant.
2. The 4X is one of the few mechs that can be effective in public drops with SHS (I want to be able to level it in public and still use it in stock private drops without spending money to go back and forth between SHS and DHS).
3. My aim isn't the greatest in the world, so those 4 tons of stock AC/5 ammo are invaluable.
4. I don't own any Catapults or Orions at the moment, so I'd be unable to Elite the stock mech.
5. DAKKA

Edited by Crotch RockIt, 07 May 2014 - 06:34 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Crotch RockIt, on 07 May 2014 - 06:33 AM, said:

I ran a JR7-F on Monday. I was very fun and much jumpier than the meta-Jenners, since it has 5 JJ, but heat was definitely a problem. I could get by with using 2 lasers at a time for a little while, but I'd soon have to either disengage (and cooldown takes a while with only 10 SHS) or switch to chain firing. That said, I'm not a great Light pilot (my KDR in public matches with Jenners hovers around 1.0), so I'm sure someone with more skill could be very successful with it.

Regarding Bishop's OP, I'm in a similar predicament about figuring out which Heavy I want to run (I just did Lights and Mediums last Monday). I'm probably going to get the CTF-4X, for several reasons.

1. I'm leveling Cataphracts right now anyway and need another variant.
2. The 4X is one of the few mechs that can be effective in public drops with SHS (I want to be able to level it in public and still use it in stock private drops without spending money to go back and forth between SHS and DHS).
3. My aim isn't the greatest in the world, so those 4 tons of stock AC/5 ammo are invaluable.
4. I don't own any Catapults or Orions at the moment, so I'd be unable to Elite the stock mech.
5. DAKKA

All good reasons. I am thinking I might end up adding a 4X no matter what else I get for some similar reasons. But I think the ON1 is taking the lead ATM.

[Joseph Mallan]

I'm 200K away from a Stock Jenner-F... But with a mere 2-3 hours a night and BMorghun's Prolific Death rate... It may be Sept before I earn it!

[TygerLily]

I quadruple nominate the K2 as a good Heavy!

Praehotec8, on 07 May 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

Hi, just curious if this is open to the general public. If so, when and where is the event?

Also, Which mechs are allowed? Only heavies, or all weights? Is it only open to stock mechs with SHS? I have always loved the STK-5M and its loadout, but it has DHS.

Hey Praehotec, open to EVERYONE! Monday nights at 9:30pm EST on the Strana Mechty Teamspeak:

Teamspeak:
184.82.141.207
PW: StranaMechty

As far what what mechs: Any Mech that doesn't have double heat sinks in it's stock form. More info at http://MechForceClassic.enjin.com specifically the "Master Mech List".

PanchoTortilla, on 07 May 2014 - 05:48 AM, said:

Intredasting. I'm going to give it a try next Monday.

How does the factory config JR7-F do? Is it a total heatbox or usable?

I can imagine most mechs that use ammo will run out in short order. Most stock configs rarely load more than 2 tons of ammo for any single weapon. Quite a few have just 1 ton per weapon.

You know the Jenner F seems to run really hot! I love the Jenner in MWO main but I opted for the Spider 5V in stock. Goes 142kph with a standard engine, two ML fire at at 1.38 heat efficiency in a world where others are at 1.16 lol. Very mobile, durable, heat efficient!

Viken, on 07 May 2014 - 05:53 AM, said:

Random stock mech facts!

The amount of armor on a stock RVN-4X is 8 less than a stock JM6-DD.

Shows you how paper thin a Jagermech's armor is supposed to be.

Haha, the Jenner-D, and Cicadas 2A/B and 3C all come with the same armor as a Locust 1E.

The Locust 1M comes with 32 points of armor...total. 2 points per limb, lol. But it does have two LRM5s...which have proven to be kind of fun!

Edited by TygerLily, 07 May 2014 - 09:11 AM.