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[Dymlos2003]

I think PGI should hold off on CW for now. I know all of you are booing at that idea but hear me out.

We have private matches already, which is where the TRUE community warfare will be played. Since teams now have the ability to set up leagues, tournaments, and such; I feel the PGI should work on the things we have now I.E UI2.0, Immersion, balance, graphics, sounds, mechs, maps ect ect. They need to focus on MECHWARRIOR instead of the mainstream masses that keep screaming for MORE! CW can wait.

Get the game optimized and then roll out with the CW with some Solaris thrown in. That should be their priorities I feel.

Edited by Egomane, 09 May 2014 - 03:16 PM.

[Agent of Change]

While I kind of agree with you, they still wouldn't get another dime from me until they released CW.

So yeah I agree let them optimize and balance first, but they are gonna be doing on their dollar and not mine.

[Livewyr]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I think PGI should hold off on CW for now. I know all of you are booing at that idea but hear me out.

We have private matches already, which is where the TRUE community warfare will be played. Since teams now have the ability to set up leagues, tournaments, and such; I feel the PGI should work on the things we have now I.E UI2.0, Immersion, balance, graphics, sounds, mechs, maps ect ect. They need to focus on MECHWARRIOR instead of the mainstream masses that keep screaming for MORE! CW can wait.

Get the game optimized and then roll out with the CW with some Solaris thrown in. That should be their priorities I feel.

I think they said they've already pushed CWs back a fair bit to introduce clans and such..

[Iqfish]

No. No, really No.

Private Matches are good for making videos, for having some fun with your friends for a few evenings.
We had some awesome 1on1 duells or free for all matches in my unit, but we all went back to normal public matches.
The "vocal community", like ACES, SJR and the other "competetive" units are pumping the tournament stuff really much and making it look like the whole community is involved, but let me tell you that the majority of people in units are not taking part in them, not even being interested in them.

We have a lot of people (like 20-30) on hold, waiting for CW to come back and form an active company, another delay on CW would make this community even more toxic, would bring in lots and lots of negative press and would eventually kill this game, imo.

CW is what this game should be, an immersive simulation of a living galaxy, in which you fight for planets, fortify them and try to defend your property.

I agree with you when you are saying that they should fix things like HSR, Metagame and Clans (which will be OP/Too bad from day one, I bet on that).
ETA on CW is Fall this year and I don't think they dare to push it back again.

Edited by Iqfish, 09 May 2014 - 11:08 AM.

[Dymlos2003]

Livewyr, on 09 May 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

I think they said they've already pushed CWs back a fair bit to introduce clans and such..

I'm saying don't even think about CW. Focus on what they have now and make it the best they can.

[Mystere]

Community Warfare is not eSports, which private matches lead to. I did not get into MWO for Solaris.

[Dymlos2003]

Iqfish, on 09 May 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

No. No, really No.

Private Matches are good for making videos, for having some fun with your friends for a few evenings.
We had some awesome 1on1 duells or free for all matches in my unit, but we all went back to normal public matches.

CW is what this game should be, an immersive simulation of a living galaxy, in which you fight for planets, fortify them and try to defend your property.

I agree with you when you are saying that they should fix things like HSR, Metagame and Clans (which will be OP/Too bad from day one, I bet on that).

ETA on CW is Fall this year and I don't think they dare to push it back again.

Wouldn't you want that in a game where it's fully optimized instead of what we have now? I mean it's great fun now but it can be even better.

Mystere, on 09 May 2014 - 11:07 AM, said:

Community Warfare is not eSports, which private matches lead to. I did not get into MWO for Solaris.

Do not remember the leagues from MW4? Those were not esports. They were campaigns.

[Mystere]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Do not remember the leagues from MW4? Those were not esports. They were campaigns.

I did not do those. For MW3/4, we had LAN-parties instead, complete with booze, food, and ...

Edited by Mystere, 09 May 2014 - 11:12 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Mystere, on 09 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I did not do those. For MW3/4, we had LAN-parties instead, complete with booze, food, and ...

This. MW4 shined at a LAN. You could always walk over and smack someone if he started being cheap.

[Mystere]

Just to add to what I said, the only eSport functionality I want are 24(+)-way, no-holds-barred, winner-takes-all free-for-all high stakes competitions. We're then going to find out who the real top player is as opposed to everyone else who have been living a lie all this time.

Why? Because:

[Risko Vinsheen]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

We have private matches already, which is where the TRUE community warfare will be played. Since teams now have the ability to set up leagues, tournaments, and such;

No. Private matches are no where remotely close to community warfare. It's eSports or friends messing around. I for one haven't even had the option of taking advantage of private matches because I'm the only person I know who plays this game.

We need Community Warfare. It's what this game was supposed to be all along. Community Warfare should have come before private matches. We need objectives, things to fight for.

[Finster]

What are you talking about?

They ARE holding off on it. They haven't even STARTED development yet. They're still gathering and finalizing design specs.

[Dymlos2003]

This has nothing to do with Esports. CW can/will be done by the community. Since that is the case PGI should hold off on their CW so that they can catch up with what they have to fix and optimize. Let's let them get that off their plate first!

Risko Vinsheen, on 09 May 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

No. Private matches are no where remotely close to community warfare. It's eSports or friends messing around. I for one haven't even had the option of taking advantage of private matches because I'm the only person I know who plays this game.

We need Community Warfare. It's what this game was supposed to be all along. Community Warfare should have come before private matches. We need objectives, things to fight for.

What are you talking about. Join a league with rules, economy, a star map. DONE.

Finster, on 09 May 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

What are you talking about?

They ARE holding off on it. They haven't even STARTED development yet. They're still gathering and finalizing design specs.

Are ya dumb? They just added a part of it. Private matches. They have designed it which is the bulk of the work that needs to be done. They are trying to get it out because people are practically forcing them too.

[Risko Vinsheen]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with Esports. CW can/will be done by the community.

How? The community can't give objectives for rewards. The community can't fight over different worlds to build loyalty towards a faction to earn more rewards. The community can't give discounts on items based on which faction you play. And private matches are not a matchmaking system.

[Mystere]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with Esports. CW can/will be done by the community. Since that is the case PGI should hold off on their CW so that they can catch up with what they have to fix and optimize. Let's let them get that off their plate first!

What are you talking about. Join a league with rules, economy, a star map. DONE.

What league? One with infinite ammo, no heat, no LRM, no ECM, no artillery, no 2xPPC/2xAC5, no 3PV rule set? That kind of league?

No, I want a game-supported CW, not a player-grafted one.

Edited by Mystere, 09 May 2014 - 11:32 AM.

[Dymlos2003]

Risko Vinsheen, on 09 May 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

How? The community can't give objectives for rewards. The community can't fight over different worlds to build loyalty towards a faction to earn more rewards. The community can't give discounts on items based on which faction you play. And private matches are not a matchmaking system.

Huh? Sure you can fight over "different" worlds. And you can make your own economy. ( Of course people would have to play the public queue to get cbills and stuff) Also where did I say anything about a matchmaking system? I know a lot of you guys are lazy but you can find leagues right now and PLAY in them.

Mystere, on 09 May 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

What league? One with infinite ammo, no heat, no LRM, no ECM, no artillery, no 2xPPC/2xAC5, no 3PV rule set? That kind of league?

No, I want a game-supported CW, not a player-grafted one.

And it will come. And that ruleset isn't even possible in MWO.

Jeez you guys complain about it not being like closed beta anymore and this is why. You guy just want MORE. Let them fix what they have.

[Risko Vinsheen]

Dymlos2003, on 09 May 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

Huh? Sure you can fight over "different" worlds. And you can make your own economy. ( Of course people would have to play the public queue to get cbills and stuff) Also where did I say anything about a matchmaking system? I know a lot of you guys are lazy but you can find leagues right now and PLAY in them.

What good is a player made economy when it has nothing to do with the game? You didn't say anything about a matchmaking system, that's the problem. Community Warfare should have a matchmaking system. We shouldn't be forced to work our schedules around other people we don't know or care to know just to play something only vaguely like what was supposed to be a key feature of this game all along. It has nothing to do with laziness, some people just do not want to be forced to rely on other people.

Private matches =/= Community Warfare. Leagues =/= Community Warfare. Community Warfare should be convenient for all players. Matchmaking does that. Private matches do not.

[Chemie]

Russ basically said this was what he was doing...of course it is just a convenient way to explain away the fact they never started and never really intended to do CW in the first place. Why bother when they can keep giving press interviews saying it is ready and then sell mechs packs...rinse...repeat

[Fut]

Risko Vinsheen, on 09 May 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

What good is a player made economy when it has nothing to do with the game? You didn't say anything about a matchmaking system, that's the problem. Community Warfare should have a matchmaking system. We shouldn't be forced to work our schedules around other people we don't know or care to know just to play something only vaguely like what was supposed to be a key feature of this game all along. It has nothing to do with laziness, some people just do not want to be forced to rely on other people.

How is the MatchMaker supposed to work within CW anyhow?
It's not as if a person will have an easier time (up against easier opponents) conquering a planet just because they're in a low ELO bracket.

[Tombstoner]

CW is what the IS wars is all about.... The unification of the inner sphere.... clans should have been on the back burner till that was in place and fixed. Then have an event where the clans invade with clearly overwhelming power for the first 1-2 weeks of dev only clan fight against the players.

Then release clans tech into CW.

But money talks.