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[FupDup]

I still see Gauss carrying mechs quite commonly (mostly Jags and Cataphracts, go figure) and their punches still hurt just as much as any FoTM poptart alpha (perhaps more, because they converge better due to no projectile speed differences).

[Void Angel]

Don't even bother to try and answer the claim that nerfs happen because "[insert scapegoat] cried." It's not based facts, so arguing facts with it just feeds into the person's martyr complex - "Oh, look at how unreasonable the mean qq crowd is." In reality, while player complaints can tell a developer to look at a certain mechanic, whether/what nerfs or buffs take place is always done according to internal testing and analysis. Player opinion can suggest what kinds of nerfs and buffs would be acceptable to the player base, but what actually happens is determined by the developer, after looking at their data and game demographics.

But in every game I have ever played online, there's always a very vocal bloc of people who scream things like "people QQ'd, and they nerfed DKs for no reason," when in actuality Unholy Death Knights were doing far too much damage in serious raids, and "ShadowFrost" PvP builds had turned Death Knights (a melee class) into an amazing machinegun of ranged munchkin death. The truth is almost always more complex, but many people prefer their... streamlined views - even the most convoluted conspiracy theories tend to rest on a handful on oversimplifications. Come to think of it, that's why fascism works...

[Lyoto Machida]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

were you around for the original pc mechwarrior games or did you just enter this game (honestly)



Doesn't add skill, it just removes further options to snipe in the game. If that isn't obvious, just look at the shaking of the jump jets nerfed by all the players who "enjoy" in-your -face brawling at 5kph with LBX/AC's/lasers.

Coming from CS:GO and Battlefield, I find this sad.

Probably the only users that will sympathize with me are the poptart/jump snipers from the MechWarrior 4 days.

You can't jump and snipe with a Gauss Rifle?

[Merrick]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

were you around for the original pc mechwarrior games or did you just enter this game (honestly)



Doesn't add skill, it just removes further options to snipe in the game. If that isn't obvious, just look at the shaking of the jump jets nerfed by all the players who "enjoy" in-your -face brawling at 5kph with LBX/AC's/lasers.

Coming from CS:GO and Battlefield, I find this sad.

Probably the only users that will sympathize with me are the poptart/jump snipers from the MechWarrior 4 days.

you do realize that the meta right now is nothing but poptarts right? it's a problem that is actually killing a lot of the fun in the game. Please also bear in mind that MW isn't supposed to be an FPS but a tacticle mech combat simulator so slow walking tanks would be right, not noscopeheadshot

[Durandal]

Mechsniper, on 10 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

PGI hates snipers and over loves lights, after all a spider should be able to pwn assault mechs right?

If you're in an assault getting pwned by any light mech, you've done something wrong or your team has abandoned you...either way, you're likely alone. Speed kills, especially since you don't have any lasers in your back. Having teammates to shoot the thing trying to eat your back armor, however, will save you. Any smart light pilot knows this, and will exploit it...because that's what we're supposed to do.

As far as the Gauss charge itself...many have already noted that it matters not for poptart metas, they just wait to shoot until they release their JJs and the shot is back on target. As for brawlers, I've seen quite a few successful brawlers who still use it in closer combat, in fact it's a favorite build for Cataphracts and Jagermechs even when they aren't poptarting. I keep a Gauss for use on my Shadowhawk as well, and do a surprisingly large amount of damage with it in most matches...including against lights, mainly because I know how light mechs prefer to move in most cases. While I can't say that the charge-up mechanic is necessarily the RIGHT solution (I'd never really used them before it was patched in), it's what we're stuck with now. Go PPCx2 + an AC if you want the Super Shot still...that tears up unwary lights any day

[DonGardenio]

I'm actually quite wary of Gauss users as a light pilot. Those projectiles fly fast and are less susceptible to lag/dodgyhitdetection/whatever and well, physically dodging. And might as well be hitscan in MLas range.

There's always some pilots who have some pretty good timing with pre-emptively charging. Only charging it up when you see the target is pretty much doing it wrong.

[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 10 May 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

Exploding weapons + XL engines?
Tack in longer barrels (enhancing hitbox sizes and making shots under 60 meters nearly impossible)?
Course, I'd like to see a click to fire followed by a build up on the PPCs for a different mechanic since Gauss got a charge up.

arm mounted gauss not near the threat to your xl that the GuassKitty runs.

[Sephlock]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Was using it on my highlanders 1 year ago, it was pretty good.

So they nerfed the jump jets (they shake now), and now the gauss is worthless/garbage (recharge? seroiusly?)

[Jun Watarase]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Was using it on my highlanders 1 year ago, it was pretty good.

So they nerfed the jump jets (they shake now), and now the gauss is worthless/garbage (recharge? seroiusly?)


Are there trying to make this game, a no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl at 10kph game?

The funny part is that the game is now a no skill, 0 kph, poptart and snipe with perfect accuracy at 500 meters with pinpoint 30 damage alphas....

[n r g]

InRev, on 10 May 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

Thinking this must be a troll . . .



Yep, it's a troll. Y'all got baited, hook, line and sinker.



This isn't a troll, however. Just astoundingly myopic. The current meta is 2PPC and 2AC/5.

PGI sure hates them snipers, amirite?

InRev, never heard of you before.

And really, CS:GO is the most competitive FPS ever released. Where you even around in the previous mechwarrior bro?

You sound like one of those players who just loaded up MWO as their first mech game, and take a pulse-laser/ac and call themself a sniper.

GG WP bro.

Jun Watarase, on 10 May 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:

The funny part is that the game is now a no skill, 0 kph, poptart and snipe with perfect accuracy at 500 meters with pinpoint 30 damage alphas....

Well, MW4, the primary sniping was done within 800+ meters. Also, most "elite" players never pop stationary, rather side to side.

Furthermore, do you honestly HONESTLY think hitting mechs from long range with precision alphas, is EASIER than just running up to a mech and spamming streaks or LRMs or LBX/autocannon/ballistics????

Edited by 3N3RGY, 10 May 2014 - 11:03 PM.

[I R O N Patriot]

Energy is being serious guys. He comes out of cryosleep and finds the game in this state. To someone that hasnt been punished this last year, it is kind of shocking. That being said.

IV-FOUR

[darkkterror]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Was using it on my highlanders 1 year ago, it was pretty good.

So they nerfed the jump jets (they shake now), and now the gauss is worthless/garbage (recharge? seroiusly?)


Are there trying to make this game, a no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl at 10kph game?

Shouldn't the caption on that picture be "Disapoint I am" ?

[Zerberoff]

3N3RGY, on 10 May 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Was using it on my highlanders 1 year ago, it was pretty good.

So they nerfed the jump jets (they shake now), and now the gauss is worthless/garbage (recharge? seroiusly?)


Are there trying to make this game, a no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl at 10kph game?

They dont want to turn it into a so called no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl, they wanted to get rid of all those no-skill in your face Jump Sniper Highlanders.

Edit:
Smart Pilots found an alternative or gained the skill to keep using it.

Edited by Zerberoff, 10 May 2014 - 11:51 PM.

[Goose]

Sooo what kind of drills did you use to relearn it?

… 'Cause I'm the only guy I know whom's still trying, and I take over two attempts to get a round off …

[Abisha]

Koniving, on 10 May 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

Actually it's preventing me FROM brawling with Gauss Rifles, which was a popular thing.
Far as jumpjet sniping, you can still do that just fire when you let go of the thrusters.

Brawling with Gauss Rifles was pretty common.

nice picture, i have a soft spot for CPTL chassis.
any HD?

[I R O N Patriot]

Zerberoff, on 10 May 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

They dont want to turn it into a so called no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl, they wanted to get rid of all those no-skill in your face Jump Sniper Highlanders.

Edit:
Smart Pilots found an alternative or gained the skill to keep using it.

LOL no skill? Is jump sniping easy? Is that what he is saying? REALLY??!!! :|

[Deathlike]

Irontygr, on 10 May 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Energy is being serious guys. He comes out of cryosleep and finds the game in this state. To someone that hasnt been punished this last year, it is kind of shocking. That being said.

IV-FOUR

I actually wonder how you got smurfy's website to produce that.

[ProtoformX]

Irontygr, on 10 May 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Energy is being serious guys. He comes out of cryosleep and finds the game in this state. To someone that hasnt been punished this last year, it is kind of shocking. That being said.

IV-FOUR

How the hell did you get 70 tons on a 60 ton mech?

[n r g]

Zerberoff, on 10 May 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

They dont want to turn it into a so called no-skill, 100m, in your face brawl, they wanted to get rid of all those no-skill in your face Jump Sniper Highlanders.

Edit:
Smart Pilots found an alternative or gained the skill to keep using it.

please, no one honestly could argue that "sniping" takes less "Skill" than "brawling". You may "hate" sniping but EVEN a new player, with 1 day into mechwarrior can rush with ballistics or LRMS. It takes months if NOT years to attain the accuracy to "snipe" targets from afar and on the move, all while jumping yourself. Especially now with the JJ /reticule shake.

And I'm not going no where and I will adapt, just like I did when they nerfed the heat or Large lasers in MW4 ( I was a 7er LL nova pilot DERP DERP..).

apologies for the excessive quotations.

in summary, keep in mind I'm merely giving my OPINION out, I'm not saying any of this is "fact" just merely my interpretations of this game so don't bash or get so bent out of shape please.

Irontygr, on 10 May 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Energy is being serious guys. He comes out of cryosleep and finds the game in this state. To someone that hasnt been punished this last year, it is kind of shocking. That being said.

IV-FOUR

You is a smart man, I <3 you

Edited by 3N3RGY, 11 May 2014 - 12:45 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

The Gauss is actually more lethal than ever...true story.