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[Pale Jackal]

Can we please implement a feature where you can only manually shut yourself down (by pressing P, or whatever your power button is) when you are fully powered up and operational? I have never needed to shut myself back down after hitting the power up button, but I have certainly shut myself down unintentionally when I was powering back up.

Is there a timer upon which the 'mech will power itself back up after an automatic shutdown? Since this does not always happen to me. Am I just at fault for pressing P twice, maybe thinking the first time didn't register?

[Deathlike]

I know this has been a request before, but it's not entirely needed.

There is a "buffer" in which the shutdown/power up stuff is queued (it's been a long time since this particular comment has come up). The thing is, there IS a delay between shutdown+powering up sequence (there's an elite efficiency dedicated to this), so I would say you need to be "patient" and practice in the training grounds if you have to.

[Curccu]

Pale Jackal, on 15 May 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

Can we please implement a feature where you can only manually shut yourself down (by pressing P, or whatever your power button is) when you are fully powered up and operational? I have never needed to shut myself back down after hitting the power up button, but I have certainly shut myself down unintentionally when I was powering back up.

Is there a timer upon which the 'mech will power itself back up after an automatic shutdown? Since this does not always happen to me. Am I just at fault for pressing P twice, maybe thinking the first time didn't register?

mech WILL power up by itself after automatic shutdown when your heat is low enough again...

[moneyBURNER]

The problem is the unpredictability of the automatic startup, allowing for accidental power-down right when the automatic startup initiates, leading to confusion and wasted time at a potentially critical moment. Another example of a needlessly convoluted design mechanic.

It's two separate buttons in the in-game cockpit. Make it two different keys as well.

[Mister Blastman]

My wife shuts me down when I power up all the time... Yeah. Being married is rough. :-|


Oh, back on topic. Yeah, that is kind of annoying and has been around for a long time now. You just have to learn to work around it with the automatic power up.

[Madw0lf]

moneyBURNER, on 15 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

The problem is the unpredictability of the automatic startup, allowing for accidental power-down right when the automatic startup initiates, leading to confusion and wasted time at a potentially critical moment. Another example of a needlessly convoluted design mechanic.

It's two separate buttons in the in-game cockpit. Make it two different keys as well.

Not really convoluted, it makes perfect sense.

[Deathlike]

Mister Blastman, on 15 May 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

My wife shuts me down when I power up all the time... Yeah. Being married is rough. :-|

Wait, how does she shut you down?

YES, I HAS TO KNOW!

[Pale Jackal]

Curccu, on 15 May 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

mech WILL power up by itself after automatic shutdown when your heat is low enough again...

So is there no point to powering up manually after an automatic shutdown?

[moneyBURNER]

Madw0lf, on 15 May 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Not really convoluted, it makes perfect sense.

It only makes perfect sense in 'UI2.0 logic' that you can accidentally accomplish the opposite of what you intended to do in an urgent or frantic situation where you already have many different things to keep track of, and have to consciously disregard the natural intuitive response of spamming the startup key.

[OneEyed Jack]

moneyBURNER, on 15 May 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

It only makes perfect sense in 'UI2.0 logic' that you can accidentally accomplish the opposite of what you intended to do in an urgent or frantic situation where you already have many different things to keep track of, and have to consciously disregard the natural intuitive response of spamming the startup key.

I don't think that spamming the key is the issue. If you do that, you kinda deserve what you get. But hitting the key once, while in auto shut-down, then having the server apply the button press after applying auto start-up, causing you to immediately shut down again and have to go through another start-up, is.... annoying.

Of course some will suggest that one should be managing their heat better and not shut down in the first place. But it's rather optimistic to imagine that there's never a time when the choice is between dying for certain or taking a chance with the shut down.

[Madw0lf]

moneyBURNER, on 15 May 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

It only makes perfect sense in 'UI2.0 logic' that you can accidentally accomplish the opposite of what you intended to do in an urgent or frantic situation where you already have many different things to keep track of, and have to consciously disregard the natural intuitive response of spamming the startup key.

No it makes sense that your 'Mechs computer wouldn't let you manually start up after an overheat shutdown...

[moneyBURNER]

Madw0lf, on 15 May 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

No it makes sense that your 'Mechs computer wouldn't let you manually start up after an overheat shutdown...

Except that the mech's computer DOES let you manually start up and take risks at your discretion, but needlessly adds more risk with the possibility of interfering with an attempt at a manual power-up.

How stupid does the computer have to be to interpret a pilot's action in that situation as a shutdown command, when 100% of the time the pilot is trying to start up faster than the automatic startup?

For me it's a practical non-issue, but it just shows logical inconsistencies in even the simplest details of game design with regard to immersion and plausible engineering.

[Madw0lf]

Eh, guess we can agree to disagree on this, no offense but it doesn't seem worth an argument to me, it can go either way lol.

[Lyoto Machida]

It's a stupid feature and I've always hated it. My issues with it doesn't happen from spamming the startup/shutdown key but from hitting the "startup" key too late into the shutdown and having it shutdown again (because of my input). Make it two separate buttons!

[Mister Blastman]

Deathlike, on 15 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Wait, how does she shut you down?

YES, I HAS TO KNOW!

"I'm too tired tonight."

Works every time. What's a man to say to that?

[FupDup]

Mister Blastman, on 15 May 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

"I'm too tired tonight."

Works every time. What's a man to say to that?

Tell her to take a 5 hour energy!

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 15 May 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

Tell her to take a 5 hour energy!

That's not a counter to Viagra...

[Lyoto Machida]

FupDup, on 15 May 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

Tell her to take a 5 hour energy!

Most married women only need a 5 minute energy probably.

[Deathlike]

Lyoto Machida, on 15 May 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

Most married women only need a 5 minute energy probably.

That's not what she said!

[Dymlos2003]

moneyBURNER, on 15 May 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Except that the mech's computer DOES let you manually start up and take risks at your discretion, but needlessly adds more risk with the possibility of interfering with an attempt at a manual power-up.

How stupid does the computer have to be to interpret a pilot's action in that situation as a shutdown command, when 100% of the time the pilot is trying to start up faster than the automatic startup?

For me it's a practical non-issue, but it just shows logical inconsistencies in even the simplest details of game design with regard to immersion and plausible engineering.

Use the override button not the power up one. Problem solved